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Hi.Jack wrote: (2 white and 2 yellow plates), don't know the difference though
UK plates are white to the front and yellow to the rear... 2016 Discovery 4 Commercial
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Calcul@tor
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So 75 posts in and not much in the way of spec rumours....
Does that mean there's not going to be much new coming? I'm sure there was a lot more known about MY12 this time last year (but haven't checked!) D4 XS MY12 Galway
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| 24th May 2012 6:35 pm |
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Not heard anything, not even from my contacts........ Which is unusual, the only thing I have been told is that something big might be coming in terms of the hybrid engines if they are ready in time......... and definitely for the following year if not. 2016 Discovery 4 Commercial
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| 24th May 2012 7:21 pm |
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Hi.Jack
Member Since: 20 Aug 2011
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APL wrote:Hi.Jack wrote: (2 white and 2 yellow plates), don't know the difference though
UK plates are white to the front and yellow to the rear...
Thanks I never knew this 
I find it very peculiar though.
In SA we had black plates then yellow and then white, but always the same back and front - allowed a change in size as an optional, but still legal.
In the UAE, also ex Brit protectorate, none of the front and back mirrored change of colour. It's White. Without wanting to rev a nationalist debate...unless it has to do with the weight of the car, then I see no logic. But then again who am I to doubt the Crowns logic, right ? '09 LR3 4.4 HSE Zermatt Silver
'10 Prado TXL 2.7 White - to go soon
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| 24th May 2012 9:04 pm |
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keheha
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Was the conclusion that all Land Rover could come up with for 2013 was a "HSE Luxury" model?
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| 30th Jun 2012 2:32 pm |
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Seems like it, at the moment, unless the hybrid engines are going to be announced across the range for January 2013 build.... 2016 Discovery 4 Commercial
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| 30th Jun 2012 2:35 pm |
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keheha
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APL wrote:Seems like it, at the moment, unless the hybrid engines are going to be announced across the range for January 2013 build....
Hmm... it does seem that they are keeping their cards close for the time being.
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| 30th Jun 2012 2:58 pm |
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It's well known by this stage that they have a version of the TDV6 with hybrid drive as tested in Range Rover Sports, looks as though this is definitely going into the new FFRR (due January 2013), RRS, and hopefully the D4 too......... along with the sub 90g/km and apparent 75mpg+ figures.....!
Let us hope they can keep the purchase costs down to a sensible level if this is the case - because the tax will certainly be cheaper, everywhere! 2016 Discovery 4 Commercial
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| 30th Jun 2012 3:41 pm |
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Hi.Jack
Member Since: 20 Aug 2011
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Any news on a 8 speed gearbox for the petrol models ? '09 LR3 4.4 HSE Zermatt Silver
'10 Prado TXL 2.7 White - to go soon
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| 30th Jun 2012 7:13 pm |
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Hi.Jack wrote:Any news on a 8 speed gearbox for the petrol models ?
In short, no. As it (the 8 speed box) was primarily aimed at fuel consumption improvements to the diesel models for the European market, that seems to be the only reason for it being used at the moment.
Persuade the USA and other oil rich territories to promote more diesel usage through taxation (unlikely I know) and then it will become available in other markets, as will the hybrid....... 2016 Discovery 4 Commercial
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| 30th Jun 2012 7:45 pm |
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Hi.Jack
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For every barrel of oil only 25% can be harvested for Diesel Oil. EU has 50+% diesels on the road. Who is consuming the Petrol to balance the barrel's content? Diesel is getting more expensive...
The BS that they are forcing down your throats with taxes is distorting the demand and supply.
Soon, Diesel will become unaffordable, but the powers that be will be still taxing.
I am looking to replace the  Prado I have with a Q7 Audi. Comparing all the numbers, it matches with my V8 LR. 3.0TSI Audi performs the same, but comes with a 8 speed box to help it along. '09 LR3 4.4 HSE Zermatt Silver
'10 Prado TXL 2.7 White - to go soon
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| 30th Jun 2012 8:08 pm |
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Hi.Jack
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I fail to see the logic of optimizing an already optimized Diesel, running on a calculated scarce resource.
The topic is new 2013 models, and associated tech. Yet LR stick an 5.0l V8 upgrade to my 4.4 l V8, but do not upgrade the G-box to 8 speed. In my manual it quotes C02g per whatever offset.
The big '13 LR is about hybrids. But the Electric comes from where. CO2 belching coal stations or maybe contaminated Nuclear plants, like Germany is banning now.
Profound logic. Increasing petrol burning engine capacity, optimizing Diesel performance with a 8 speed box on a depleting resource....yet failing to upgrade the V* mated box..
Then you add the TATA programme of reducing a HSE spec to upgradeable...
The mind really boggles '09 LR3 4.4 HSE Zermatt Silver
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| 30th Jun 2012 9:16 pm |
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There are various factors at play here........
One the one hand they are trying to reduce the CO2 output by using optimised diesel engines. The hybrid will be able to recharge itself from the engine power as well as being able to be topped up from mains electricity. All development efforts are being put into this because of the taxation systems in place in many European countries, if the CO2 output is not reduced in European markets then sales will dramatically fall off as is already happening.
As for reducing specs of vehicles, this is more to do with increasing manufacturing costs than anything else, such costs are rising in the UK all the time. As sad as it may seem, it would be better for the Discovery to be built in India or someplace like that because they would then be able to sell it much cheaper worldwide. But this will only work if the quality remains top notch. Labour costs are so vastly cheaper in the Far East and places like India that this may be the logical way forward, who knows?!
As I have said many times before, the Discovery is overpriced, it should cost between £30K and £40K maximum, and they would sell an awful lot more of them if it was priced between those brackets, especially in Europe. But we buy the Discovery because we like it and because of it's abilities, and it is difficult not to buy a Discovery when you are used to them!!!!!!
Sadly, current labour & other manufacturing process costs in the UK will mean higher than they ought to be prices for products such as Land Rovers....... 2016 Discovery 4 Commercial
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| 30th Jun 2012 9:43 pm |
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Hi.Jack
Member Since: 20 Aug 2011
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"..There are various factors at play here........ "
agreed, but none makes any sense, I have gotta sleep now, but will try and justify the LR later 
cneers '09 LR3 4.4 HSE Zermatt Silver
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| 30th Jun 2012 10:04 pm |
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