enforcer
Member Since: 01 Dec 2017
Location: Wales
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When buying a used D4, with all other things being equal, what do you think is better out of a younger car with a higher mileage or an older car with a lower mileage?
Edit for clarity: I'm looking at 8 speeds, and my budget allows (as a rough example) a 63/14 plate with mileage in the teens-twenties or a 15/65 plate with double that mileage. No tax difference. Adblue may be a difference.
Last edited by enforcer on 17th Mar 2018 9:24 pm. Edited 2 times in total
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17th Mar 2018 8:33 pm |
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galwaygreen
Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: plymouth
Posts: 6525
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newer with adblue..stop start will be cheaper tax..oh and 8 speed
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17th Mar 2018 9:07 pm |
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Maxxed_Ross
Member Since: 13 Mar 2018
Location: Bathgate
Posts: 310
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Being a mechanical engineer I always aim for lower miles over anything else. Less miles means less wear and hopefully more time before something goes wrong
Don't get too hung up on the tax either. My 2013 is in the high tax bracket, but the difference in price between it and a newer car in the lower tax bracket meant that I would have to keep the car for at least 6 years to break even on the tax cost! 2013 Discovery 4 HSE Lux | 2001 Defender 90 TD5 | 2007 Prodrive RB320
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17th Mar 2018 9:22 pm |
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riverblanche
Member Since: 31 Aug 2010
Location: retford'ish
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Hi,
look at as many as you can and decide if you like the stop/start, sure one will stand out to you as a "gud un" and may sit in the middle of what you thought
Regarding miles its more How the miles have been done,
school run car doing 4 trips a day but only 3 miles each way, never gets warm and may not be as good as a car with 3x the miles
Look at Who's using it and what for
Your still just going to be falling outside the Original Warranty period so think I would be going for an early 8 speed with less than 60k or more than 140k with lots of history
Transit! 2019
Gone D3 HSE 2008
Another Porsche Cayenne 2022
Gone Porsche Cayenne 2020
Gone RRS HSE Dynamic 2016
Gone RRS HSE LUX 2011
Gone RRS HSE 2006
Gone D3 SE 2.7 2008
gone D2 Td5 1999
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17th Mar 2018 9:46 pm |
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zinke
Member Since: 22 Feb 2014
Location: Scunthorpe
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I always think cars should be fitted with a cold start counter, if you divided mileage by the number of cold starts you would have a much better idea of what kind of life it’s had.
Pete. IID, webasto software and workshop facility's available.
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17th Mar 2018 11:45 pm |
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KiwiD4
Member Since: 17 Aug 2017
Location: Christchurch
Posts: 310
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I go for condition over everything. That generally (but not always) will mean lower mileage over age.
My MY11 only had 40,000kms when I got it in the middle of last year, and is basically a brand new 7year old car. No regrets.
That said, my D2 was higher kms, but in great condition as well, so I was very happy.
Just go kick a few tyres! King of the typo.
MY11 D4 5.0 V8, Bournville, lots of goodies!
Now departed: '85 RR Vogue, '94 D1, '95 D1, '70 SIIA, '97 D1, '04 D2a. All V8, except for the SIIA - but that drank as much petrol anyway!
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18th Mar 2018 12:33 am |
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Maxxed_Ross
Member Since: 13 Mar 2018
Location: Bathgate
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You can take your chances with that too.
I bought a fairly new Astra Estate a few years back that had a very high mileage for it's age. Used by a businessman it was all motorway miles and the interior was like new. Properly serviced and maintained so all looked good.
A few months later the gearbox expired spectacularly. Turns out 6th gear collapsed and punched a hole in the end of the case. So much for those "easy" motorway miles
zinke wrote:I always think cars should be fitted with a cold start counter, if you divided mileage by the number of cold starts you would have a much better idea of what kind of life it’s had.
Pete.
We have that on the gas turbines at work. Considering that's when the most wear occurs then that would be a really good idea 2013 Discovery 4 HSE Lux | 2001 Defender 90 TD5 | 2007 Prodrive RB320
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18th Mar 2018 4:44 am |
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mz mini
Member Since: 02 Jul 2014
Location: Sunny Devon
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I personally think age kills cars not miles. Honest John in the Telegraph always recommends buying the newer car even if the mile are higher. Looking at how a car's been looked after and it's history should also give a fair indication of whether it's a loved or abused example Land Rover 90 - deceased
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18th Mar 2018 8:38 am |
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enforcer
Member Since: 01 Dec 2017
Location: Wales
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Thanks everyone. Seems the majority think mileage more important than age. My inclination was that age was better, so that's interesting.
Does anyone's opinion change if I said I would be looking to keep the car for a good few years, and wouldn't be putting huge numbers of miles on it myself?
Unfortunately there aren't a lot of specimens for sale near me, so I'm trying to put a sensible shortlist together to save unnecessary travelling.
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18th Mar 2018 11:01 am |
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mz mini
Member Since: 02 Jul 2014
Location: Sunny Devon
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It would appear that these engines can and do fail at any mileage some under 40 thousand miles. My best mates brand new FFRR had a new engine and box in the first year. So not wishing to labour the point, in this case was it age or mileage or neither? Many D3s go on to do big miles ..... mines at 174k Land Rover 90 - deceased
Discovery 3 - deceased
Discovery 4 2013
Mini Cooper S 1964 Mk1 - International Rally winner red & white
Mini Cooper s 1964 Mk1 - Road Rally champion green & white
Mini Cooper S 1971 Mk3 - original and unrestored
Porsche 911 997
Porsche Boxster 3.4S
VW Polo 1.2
Citroen Xsara Picasso - shed/run around
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18th Mar 2018 11:46 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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I'd be a little of wary of spending a lot of money on a diesel vehicle that wasn't EU6. Especially if you are intending to keep hold of it for a few years. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
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18th Mar 2018 12:43 pm |
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enforcer
Member Since: 01 Dec 2017
Location: Wales
Posts: 20
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Yeah, I keep coming back to the EU6 thing. I don't see it as an issue currently, but who knows what will happen in the future.
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18th Mar 2018 2:47 pm |
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Sloppy
Member Since: 17 Jul 2013
Location: North Yorkshire
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mz mini wrote:I personally think age kills cars not miles. Honest John in the Telegraph always recommends buying the newer car even if the mile are higher. Looking at how a car's been looked after and it's history should also give a fair indication of whether it's a loved or abused example
totally agree with this every time brake pipes etc and rubber degrades with age, buy newest with highest miles within reason and as above condition. my 150k d4 was a steal and vs much lower mileage ones i had seen was in much better condition, also it had had all the common faults/expensive routine maintenance sorted like inlet mainifolds and belts & gearbox oils...
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24th Mar 2018 8:41 pm |
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