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She's a Labour MP Paul, what do you except?
She does have a valid point about access to information, which may be under threat.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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14th Mar 2018 6:07 pm
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There might be lots of political posturing, but I would bet a fair bit that information at all levels will still freely transfer.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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14th Mar 2018 7:30 pm
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highlands wrote:
Anyway, the original point remains that under WTO rules the entire tariff free quotas stay with the EU, unless they are able to negotiate them down.
Rights so your number were not really correct
And what is that quota looking and how much UK imports and how much UK then export to other countries?
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but there are various ways of assessing the figures and are correct if quoted in context.
And for sure you are the only one who knows how to quote them correctlyIt takes all sorts (to make a world).
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14th Mar 2018 11:22 pm
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It's really quite simple.
The sheep that I slaughtered were around 30kg each.
The meat in my freezer that comes from each of them is about 20kg.
Most of the meat that comes to the UK from New Zealand are cuts, equivalent to the 20kg in my freezer.
Most of the meat that goes to France from the UK are whole carcases, equivalent to the 30kg sheep.
The WTO tariff quotas are based on, effectively, how much carcase weight would be needed for the meat imported, hence the, as you the might put it, 'real numbers' and 'my numbers'.Black 05 TDV6 HSE Auto
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14th Mar 2018 11:42 pm
Riccardo
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Stil you have not answered the question how much free meat from New Zealand will have to be distributed across 27 nations once UK is out?It takes all sorts (to make a world).
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15th Mar 2018 4:04 pm
ruben D3 Decade
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without pursuing controversy, I launch an open question here, surely no one will answer, but I do it equally, and it is the following: today, handling the information you have now, I think infinitely greater than before the referendum about the departure of the EU, would you vote again the same? the brexiters are more brexiters? the remainders are more remainers? Would it be reasonable, once the negotiation is concluded and the agreements known, to submit them to a vote again ? why not? Is this in yours hands?lost in translation!
15th Mar 2018 4:29 pm
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The reasons most of us voted to leave have not changed and perhaps have been added to by the EU's officials attitudes and comments..
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Polls are just polls, the vote happened as will Brexit..
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15th Mar 2018 4:44 pm
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then there would be no reason to fear a second referendum, right?lost in translation!
15th Mar 2018 5:02 pm
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I can tell you the image that arrives here and that surely will not care ... but I also mention it, this is that it seems that brexiters are more brexit than before in their position, but they are less numerous now and with that the feeling that the reasoned approach was adequate for a minority but curiously supported by a majority ... although scarce.lost in translation!
15th Mar 2018 5:15 pm
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The issue is broadly speaking the Leavers are older and less likely to use social media and less likely to force their opinion on others all the time. retainers tend to be younger and more social media savvy and quite happy sharing their views. At the end of the day their was a vote and everyone had the opportunity to vote, some did and some didn't.
The biggest travesty really was that the EU had the opportunity to head this off at the pass by engaging more with the UK but they chose not to, which was their right, we are now seeing the consequences.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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15th Mar 2018 5:28 pm
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Brexit
the only reason why I voted for Brexit was to return the governance of UK to our elected Government. If the elected party fail to perform we can kick them out whereas with the EU we have no chance to effect meaningful influence.
If the Brexit negotiations fail, then so be it, we will face the consequences and get on with life with total freedom to enter into trade agreements with any nation that wants to do trade with us. The EU will damage itself by failing to recognise that Brexit is the democratic wish of the UK citizens and that common sense should prevail
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15th Mar 2018 5:29 pm
ruben D3 Decade
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the politicians of the EU will be able to say what they want, but the feeling of the citizens, not politicians, Europeans, I think it is going to have a great loss with the departure of the British people and great sorrow and we can not do anything to change it either, in the EU not only there are politicians, there are people and this seems that in many occasions it is forgotten, and the same thing happens the other way around.lost in translation!
15th Mar 2018 5:43 pm
Canburne
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ruben wrote:
then there would be no reason to fear a second referendum, right?
Wrong. What shall we do best of three, best of five, until we get the answer you think might be right. No it was a vote and the result was achieved by democratic process so it stands.
There is nothing to fear but Project Fear and the drip drip drip of the remoaners who lost.
We all need to get on and get it sorted without all the current political backstabbing..
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