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D3 - 'Check Brake Pads'
Guys,
Anyone with a D3 had the 'Check Brake Pads' warning along with a 'ding' and an amber brake warning ? Happens most times I touch the brakes.
I assume it means the brake pads have worn to the sensor, but I don't know how many km I have left ?
With Christmas dealers are closed and heading off with the family to the coast, I am a bit worried.
Bye,
ScottNew MY15 TDv6 D4 in Buckingham Blue
Previously 2005 TDV6 HSE in Cairns Blue
- LR Steel Bar & Lights, Cooper STT 245/70R17 on LR 17", ContiCrossContact UHP 255/60R18 on LR 18", Traxide/Optima Yellow Top, GME 3440 UHF, FrontRunner Roofrack.
Previously 1999 TD5 in Blenheim Silver
26th Dec 2010 8:53 pm
caverD3
Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
Posts: 6922
As the D3 has only two sensors, one front one back, the one without a sensor could be more worn than the one with.
On the other hand the other could have more than the one with the sensor.
The one with the sensor will still have some pad left.
See if you can see how much wear is left on the other wheel. You may need to take off the wheel. Easy on the D$ you can see the pads through the wheel.“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
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27th Dec 2010 12:47 am
Discoeast
Member Since: 19 Feb 2008
Location: Boksburg
Posts: 800
sbarnham, Check which are worn most, as I change all the pads when
I do the brakes, the fronts wear more than the rears. Now having
done them last week there was only 3mm left on the fronts, but
the sensor wire had not been touched yet, so I asume there would
not be much left when it did come on. If it turns out to be the rear
ones, I would chance it as the front does most of the braking, but
would also be a more gentle on the pedal pressure, use comand
shift to down shift to lower gears to use the engine as a brake as
much as possible. Just bear in mind that you still the full brake
effiency as per normal, this is just a pad wear saving susgestion.
If it is the front, that is a diffrent ball game,
dependant on the distance you need to travel and amount of
braking to be done. The chances are you will get to a metal
contact and score the discs. As for the amount of KM's left,
that will very from driver to driver, sorry I can't be of more help.D3 bullbar-spots-roof rack with spots-ladder-long range tank-swing out spare wheel carrier- upgraded tow bar-dash console-internal water tank-duel awnings-drawer system & T T.
27th Dec 2010 8:18 am
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I did about 500m on mine (mostly motorway) after the warning came on.
Pads are dead easy to do if you can get a set of pads fromyour equivalent of Halfords & worry about the sensors later. But yoiu won't know if it's front or rear (or both) until you get the wheels off & have a proper look at them.
See the guide in my Sig if you've not done them before. Bodsys Brake Bible
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27th Dec 2010 10:13 am
sbarnham
Member Since: 07 Nov 2007
Location: Blue Mountains
Posts: 103
Thanks for the advice, I drove it on holidays, around 1500km and got the pads replaced when I
returned ... no damage to discs.
But I am VERY annoyed at LandRover for making it go 'ding' every time
I touched the brakes.New MY15 TDv6 D4 in Buckingham Blue
Previously 2005 TDV6 HSE in Cairns Blue
- LR Steel Bar & Lights, Cooper STT 245/70R17 on LR 17", ContiCrossContact UHP 255/60R18 on LR 18", Traxide/Optima Yellow Top, GME 3440 UHF, FrontRunner Roofrack.
Previously 1999 TD5 in Blenheim Silver
25th Jan 2011 9:27 am
Blue Berger
Member Since: 26 Jan 2010
Location: Adelaide Hills
Posts: 23
I think I would rather hear the chime and get told the pads are getting low!!!
No warning light, no chime, but almighty sound of metal on metal yesterday from front right and rear right! I suppose someone will say that the sensors must be on the left side of the D3.
D3 has done 45K. Have parked in the garage as next 'service' (read stealer donation) cannot be done for 10 days.
So....... I am now expecting the news that all pads AND discs will require replacement. I suppose my question is where do I stand as far as the system failure of the 'low pad sensors' is concerned on a $80K new car.
Obviously had the sensors worked and advised of excessive pad wear, they could have been replaced well before the discs were affected as well.
As sbarnham points out, he managed another 1500k's after chime/warning re the pads. No such luck here.
Thanks for any ideas/views.MY09 TDV6 SE
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30th Jan 2011 3:10 am
caverD3
Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
Posts: 6922
Exactly the same happened to me.
If you have a sticking caliper one of the pads will wear out much quicker than the others.
Its like the parking sensors. If you hit something your fault.
Only having two sensors is pretty stupid though. Sometimes the one that wears most will be the wheel with the sensor, sometimes the one without.
I have wondered if it is possible to put sensors on all the pads, you would just need to run wires to the other two wheels. “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
30th Jan 2011 3:34 am
Blue Berger
Member Since: 26 Jan 2010
Location: Adelaide Hills
Posts: 23
Howdy Caver
So I'm pretty well as far as getting any sympathy from the dealer for the sensors failing to activate and warn of the pads getting low.
Did your problem occur under warranty? I'm staggered at the variation in prices quoted for the replacement of all 4 sets of pads and discs, from $700 to $1550!
Might have to get ready to bend over and cop what's coming. Just annoying that the replacement of the discs could have been avoided this time around if the bloody sensors did their job. I thought that you should be able to get 2 sets of pads for every set of discs.
I assume I have to stick with the 'authorised' LR dealer for this while the vehicle is still under warranty?????
Thanks for your comments.
BB.MY09 TDV6 SE
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30th Jan 2011 5:53 am
caverD3
Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
Posts: 6922
It is a stupid system but most likely a sticking caliper. I had steel swarf ob the wheels leaving rust. I go through a few discs too but it depends on driving type and style off road work will wear extra due to dust and tractin control working morer often.
Dealer machines mine at pad changes.
You do not have to go through a dealer as long as the work is done to manufactures standards. Not necessarily OEM parts either. But if done by dealer they will warrant the work.
Try after market rotors (not DBA as they are more than OEM )
Get a quote elsewhere and ask dealer to match. You should at least get them to reduce it.“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
30th Jan 2011 6:28 am
Blue Berger
Member Since: 26 Jan 2010
Location: Adelaide Hills
Posts: 23
OK, I won't bore you with the whole sorry story that unfolded today but.......
The authorised LR dealer service department informed me that they would always recommend changing BOTH the pads and rotors, front and rear, whenever pads required changing. That will be $1900 thanks. Remember car has done 46K, still on original pads/rotors.
I raised the issue of the pad sensors not activating as they are supposed to, thereby warning of the low pads and avoiding the metal on metal symphony that was to come. I informed the helpful service rep that the drivers side front and rear wheels seem to be the affected ones. Then got told that the sensors are on the front and rear passenger's side wheels.
Rang other LR 'specialists', who once they stopped laughing said worse case scenario was all 4 pad sets and rotors changed for around $1000, although they seriously doubted that all rotors needed replacing.
If anyone else has been advised to change their rotors each time they change pads, I'd love to hear from you!
Thanks.
So, I guess it's a simpler decision to be made now.MY09 TDV6 SE
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31st Jan 2011 7:32 am
caverD3
Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
Posts: 6922
Name and shame? Clearly over-servicing. Fronts always wear faster than rears anyway. Definately you should not need discs changed everytime the pads are changed. “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
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D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
31st Jan 2011 8:06 am
catweasel
Member Since: 05 May 2006
Location: Bundaleer
Posts: 4805
Blue Berger wrote:
Then got told that the sensors are on the front and rear passenger's side wheels.
Solitaire and their crew of halfwits are still at it hey
the sensors are located at the front passengers side and the rear drivers side and are wired in series and alrm on an open cct. if you wished you could add them to the opposing wheels in series with the originals. my advice to you is to cut the sensors out and bridge them out at an appropriate location and rely on a weekly visual check. my other advice to you is to visit the dealer on warranty issues and recall work only and do the maint yourself as per the manual or get an independant to do the services. I changed my first set at 105,000 kms even though the dealer told me I had 4000 remaining at the 24000 service
gotta love the Adelaide dealer
31st Jan 2011 8:16 am
Blue Berger
Member Since: 26 Jan 2010
Location: Adelaide Hills
Posts: 23
Thanks Cat........
Astounds me that the dealer actually thinks that some of their valued customers will hand over almost 2 grand each time brake pads are required. Maybe some do.
Will use the dealer for warranty issues and recalls as you suggest, checking around this forum and speaking to other LR specialists both here and interstate, its blatantly obvious that you should;
1. Reasonably expect 2 sets of pads for each set of rotors (unless competing in the Dakar)
2. Expect more than 45000 k's from a set of rotors. (Obviously the chances of this happening increase significantly if the bloody sensors actually work....)
Will take the fleet to a LR 'specialist' re the brakes and hopefully keep the pain under $1000.
You shouldn't feel like you are being bent over a barrel with your pants around your ankles with the purchase of any new car, let alone one costing upwards of 80K! MY09 TDV6 SE
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09 Husaberg 570
31st Jan 2011 8:50 am
FidoNick
Member Since: 18 Jan 2021
Location: Purton, Wiltshire
Posts: 132
Blue Berger wrote:
I think I would rather hear the chime and get told the pads are getting low!!!
No warning light, no chime, but almighty sound of metal on metal yesterday from front right and rear right! I suppose someone will say that the sensors must be on the left side of the D3.
D3 has done 45K. Have parked in the garage as next 'service' (read stealer donation) cannot be done for 10 days.
So....... I am now expecting the news that all pads AND discs will require replacement. I suppose my question is where do I stand as far as the system failure of the 'low pad sensors' is concerned on a $80K new car.
Obviously had the sensors worked and advised of excessive pad wear, they could have been replaced well before the discs were affected as well.
As sbarnham points out, he managed another 1500k's after chime/warning re the pads. No such luck here.
Thanks for any ideas/views.
Just a thought (and resurrection of an old post...). If I removed the relevant sensor wire, would that stop the warning & 'ding'?
I'm grateful for the warning, but with a low number of miles to do before I had time to get the pads replaced, I don't want to be reminded every 30 seconds....
And SHMBO is bound to panic if she sees the warning
I suppose I could go and check myself, but it's just started raining...
10th Apr 2021 5:19 pm
robpenrose
Member Since: 12 Jan 2016
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I wouldn’t rely on the sensor. I had my car serviced last week and the rears were nearly down to the metal. No warning!
I also think the sensor is only on one wheel!
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