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Would look good cruising up the High St to the Red Lion. 8)
23rd Dec 2016 5:51 pm
dubbs
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Location: Gloucestershire
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Be patient and don't order one of these first editions, they are a test bed of the new platform but power trains are old tech imho.
Wait until the proper hybrid units come out then buy one, petrol not diesel.MY15 DIY Black Pack (Better than factory and half the price!)
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23rd Dec 2016 7:24 pm
Stuff
Member Since: 04 Sep 2015
Location: In between cradle and grave
Posts: 510
IPad screwed up the post. Fixed below.MY91 110 CSW, so long ago I can barely remember it - sold
MY07 D3 TDV6 HSE with all the extras - sold
MY10 RRS TDV8 Dynamic - sold
MY16 D4 SCV6 HSE
MY16 RRS SDV8 Dynamic
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24th Dec 2016 6:40 am
Stuff
Member Since: 04 Sep 2015
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SWMBO drives a D4 with the 3.0 SC V6 petrol engine. It's great, and we will buy it again for the D5 without hesitation. I see that Scotia Grey and black pack is still available.
IMO the greatest disappointment about the D5 is the loss of the split tailgate. However, if the D4 to D5 upgrade is anything like the RRS to RRS2 upgrade, it is going to be awesome to drive.
I'm still watching for the Defender replacement, though. I think one of them plus a small electric runabout will be our choice in three to five years.MY91 110 CSW, so long ago I can barely remember it - sold
MY07 D3 TDV6 HSE with all the extras - sold
MY10 RRS TDV8 Dynamic - sold
MY16 D4 SCV6 HSE
MY16 RRS SDV8 Dynamic
24th Dec 2016 6:45 am
chalky
Member Since: 21 Aug 2008
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 3145
Well, i've been away for a few years and after anticipating the arrival of the new Discovery for some time i'm holding off on the first batch until Quality Control gets a grip with itself. As some of you will know i bought a Disco Sport when they first came out and will not be making that mistake all over again!
I agree with the above though, if the new Disco is anything like the Leap from RRS to RRS2 we are in for belter. I,ve been lurking on here and the Defender2 Forum keeping up to speed with the latest developments. There is some hesitation as there was when the D3 first surfaced and look how much we all loved that thing. I sold my D3 after spending thousands on it mechanically because i couldnt wait for the emperors new clothes and have been driving round in a VW T5 since i rejected the Disco Sport.
So between lurking here on the Diesel or Petrol thread i should be busy whilst im off work deciding which engine to plump for. At the minute im swaying towards Petrol.Only dead fish go with the Flow !
24th Dec 2016 3:32 pm
petersw
Member Since: 17 Nov 2012
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 1135
Cannot comment on petrol engine, although I'm tempted but hopefully Landrover have tested the "new" tech on the Range Rover Peter
24th Dec 2016 3:49 pm
sacimiddx
Member Since: 09 Mar 2007
Location: hants
Posts: 2144
dubbs wrote:
Be patient and don't order one of these first editions, they are a test bed of the new platform but power trains are old tech imho.
Wait until the proper hybrid units come out then buy one, petrol not diesel.
No they are not - platform in use since FFRR launch
D5 will be assembled on same line as RRS2 and FFRR in SolihullIllegitimi Non Carborundum
24th Dec 2016 8:45 pm
chalky
Member Since: 21 Aug 2008
Location: Yorkshire
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That's what i thought? I made the comment to a mate the other day who has ordered a D5 "Currently in an SVR" and he said i was talking "Rubbish" or words to that effect, he said that the D5 was basically a RRS / FFRR. and that the 3 vehicles would share the same assembly line.
After looking inside one the centre console / steering wheel look very Range Rover esque and i think the quality looks about right for a Disco? It certainly looked more comfy than my D3.Only dead fish go with the Flow !
29th Dec 2016 2:11 pm
dubbs
Member Since: 18 Apr 2012
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 3626
sacimiddx wrote:
dubbs wrote:
Be patient and don't order one of these first editions, they are a test bed of the new platform but power trains are old tech imho.
Wait until the proper hybrid units come out then buy one, petrol not diesel.
No they are not - platform in use since FFRR launch
D5 will be assembled on same line as RRS2 and FFRR in Solihull
If the Range Rover has precisely the same tech, engines, control systems, ECUs, and incontrol apps infotainment system then I take it back.
However I still believe the above, based upon past performance, to be correct.MY15 DIY Black Pack (Better than factory and half the price!)
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29th Dec 2016 6:30 pm
sacimiddx
Member Since: 09 Mar 2007
Location: hants
Posts: 2144
Sorry to disappoint
Been on the launch at Solihull and all confirmed
At 43K a very good value junior FFRRIllegitimi Non Carborundum
29th Dec 2016 8:28 pm
sacimiddx
Member Since: 09 Mar 2007
Location: hants
Posts: 2144
Oh and the incontol apps available in disco sport now (or freelander in post overcoat if you prefer)Illegitimi Non Carborundum
29th Dec 2016 8:30 pm
neilk
Member Since: 27 Aug 2010
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 32
It looks like both diesels should be fine for some time as they are both EU6, and it sounds in this article JLR are banking on Adblue to address the Nox issues.
I do recall on of the earlier posts commenting that the v6 was so old it needed to rely on additives but the 4 cylinder Ingeniums also have Ad Blue and are brand new. Given VW's US breakthrough in emissions was basically to avoid additives and the extra manufacturing cost, we saw that did not go so well.
I have to say I don't really see the issue with the old engine, BMW, Audi and Mercedes have basically used the same fundamental diesels for the same time if not longer but with different states of tune, dual or single turbos, additives etc. I think the advantage is more to JLR (as Ingenium diesel vs the ford 2.2 was hardly a game changer). They get the advantage of their own in house build and costs rather than buying in. Some have even suggested iearly buyers should have it upgraded free of charge,but to be fair I ordered with my eyes open.
I am relaxed to have a reasonably proven engine and each iteration I had from the 2.7 in my RRS and Two D4's I am happy enough with the way it has improved and drives even if the numbers are far from class leading. I think an all new car and 1st generation new engine have been too much for me. I think early supply and demand will offset any reticence to having the old engine and I may stick an order in for 18-months or so as many new RRS owners did that and had a very low cost of change and see how the engine range evolves. I won't be keeping it long enough to be a problem with legislation.
To me the obvious thing they may add at the first facelift is the full TFT dash as well as hybrid and other engine options.
7th Jan 2017 5:39 pm
eelpout
Member Since: 10 Aug 2007
Location: California, USA
Posts: 53
J77 wrote:
Ideally though LR should have hybrid tech available now, they are way behind the rest.
I know, right?
I ordered my first diesel ever in the new D5. But I only intend to lease it for a short time, hoping against hope that LR gets their act together and releases some sort of engine package more suited to the late 2010's in the near future.
I realized after placing my order that I'm going to have to abandon a few of my regular gas stations when the D5 arrives, as they don't even offer diesel. Such is the U.S.
16th Jan 2017 6:42 pm
Gazellio
Member Since: 08 Jan 2011
Location: Chilterns
Posts: 4130
If my 2016 Mustang 5.0 Petrol (now sold) is anything to go by then Petrol it is.
I have also had the 4.4V8 (BMW engined), 4.4V8, 4.2SC & 5.0SC Range Rovers and all drive better than the Diesels IMHO. The whole drive-train seems smoother due to reduced torsional vibration.
Also with so may cities planning Diesel bans long term residuals are going to be hit at some stage if everybody decides to they have to go petrol.
Finally Petrol is just so much nicer. Its cleaner, smells nicer and does not pool in a black stain on the garage floor and get all over your shoes.
Bring on Petrol (or Hybrid) everything.
16th Jan 2017 6:56 pm
RDR
Member Since: 24 Mar 2013
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 2260
Engines are one of the reasons i took my D5 deposit back. No hybrid for a start then i started negotiations and they couldn't order me a First Edition petrol so on top of my other reservations around its practical load carrying ability and size i walked away MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
MY12 HSE - Gone
MY16 HSE Luxury - Sold
MY20 D5 HSE - Sold
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