Member Since: 14 Sep 2019
Location: Oxfordshire
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Discovery 3 2005. Oil pump. Sorry to be dull.
So,quickly. I know this is tedious. I looked at a 2007 car that had not had the pump
Changed. I am now onto a 2005 car that has had both of the belts done and an oil service every 6k for the last 3 years. 160 on the clock but no evidence of a pump replacement when the belts were done. Does the pump issue effect 2005 cars? Have to say I love a discovery but it’s a nightmare the more you read! The belts were done in March.
Many thanks and sorry again!
Charles.
16th Sep 2019 9:58 pm
Lrstaylor
Member Since: 04 Oct 2018
Location: Kent
Posts: 589
All are suspect Up to 2009 even then it's a gamble
If the pump hasn't been changed this must be an indication of an ill informed or careless previous owner.
I would negotiate an appropriate reduction in the price & have it done immediately after taking delivery.
Good luck.
Keep us posted.
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17th Sep 2019 6:23 am
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
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Plus 1 , I’ve got a 2005 and was advised to get it done, so didn’t hesitate getting the oil pump changed at the same time as my belts were done
Basically meaning a £200 part vs cost of new engine if it fails
17th Sep 2019 6:48 am
Mr Kington
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I had mine done 3 months ago and my 55 plate had the dodgy design. No signs off cracks or issues. New one fitted with belts etc etc and then the engine stopped 2 months later. Wasn’t happy. Still to diagnose but think the work wasn’t done very well or something just gave out. If you are getting the pump replaced I strongly strongly suggest you get a Landrover specialist to do the work and not a local mechanic.James favourite hobby is writing in the third person.
17th Sep 2019 6:56 am
kayble
Member Since: 01 Aug 2015
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 147
NJSS wrote:
I entirely agree.
If the pump hasn't been changed this must be an indication of an ill informed or careless previous owner.
NJSS
I disagree; owners manual service/schedule doesn't state oil pump change is necessary when undertaking a cambelt change, no recall/TSB issued by LR either AFAIK.
There's anecdotal information available on forums - if the previous owner was so inclined to go looking for it - that suggests early cars aren't in a particularly vulnerable range as well.
So a previous owner could potentially be as diligent as the owner of any other car - abiding by official service schedule or guidance from LR, getting their belts done on time, and not have the pump changed; not everynoe is inclined to go looking for problems on forums - even LR owner/mechanics.
You're not wrong - and I'll be changing my pump at next belt change - I just think that's quite a brush to tar some owners with?
17th Sep 2019 11:11 am
kayble
Member Since: 01 Aug 2015
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 147
FAO OP:
What might be more relevant is the state of the sills on both cars; have a poke around underneath - particularly on a car fitted with side steps.
Doesn't matter what state the oil pump is in if the sills are hanging and the car won't pass a MOT.
owners manual service/schedule doesn't state oil pump change is necessary
Nor do they say that the oil in the "sealed for life" gearboxes should be changed, and JLR dealers, I am told, agree.
However ZF, who manufacture the gearboxes, and well informed owners would say that this is essential at appropriate intervals.
Likewise JLR make no mention of power flushing ZF gearboxes, which many believe is prudent.
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2016 Discovery 4 Landmark
2011 Mercedes Benz SL350 (R230)
1973 MG B GT V8 - 3.9L John Eales engine, 5 speed R380 gearbox, since 1975.
1959 MGA roadster - 1.9L Peter Burgess Engine - 5 speed gearbox
Past LRs - Multiple FFRs, Discos & a Series I - some petrol, some diesel,
none Electric or H2 fuel cell - yet.
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17th Sep 2019 1:32 pm
gizze
Member Since: 20 Feb 2012
Location: Norfolk
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I thought that the problem with many of these pumps failing is not the pump itself but the fact many were over torqued?
So, I guess it is pot luck.
However, if that is the case, then I would suspect that if it is at 160k now then it will probably be OK.MY15 BMW 5 Series Touring
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24th Sep 2019 5:41 pm
KostasA
Member Since: 23 Aug 2015
Location: nairobi
Posts: 286
so the cost of the pump is 150 pounds over a 100.000miles. Does it really worth the discussion or you just do it by default in any case?
24th Sep 2019 6:01 pm
kayble
Member Since: 01 Aug 2015
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 147
closer to £220 + VAT for the JLR part., then the seal, and the labour fitting on top of that.
To play devil's advocate - there's the prospect of an owner chosing not to change the pump on their car; for example they feel their vehicle is not in the vulnerable range - and they consider the cost of the part and its installation at the time of a belt change, alongside the potential for improper crank seal installation leading to terminal engine damage through undetected/swift oil loss, as unjustified.
Again - previous posters aren't wrong; there's a wealth of information, anecdotal and otherwise, both on the TDV6 oil pump housing issue, and re: NJSS' previous example - of the general practice of changing fluids/filters on sealed-for-life transmissions (I did on my old 540i and 740i); i just don't think that owners, who haven't had work done that's not specified in the service schedule or otherwise specifed by the manufacturer, shouldn't be considered ill-advised or careless.
By all means price that in to the offer you make for a car that you're considering buying - the worst the seller can say is no.
26th Sep 2019 9:30 am
Browny90
Member Since: 19 Jul 2016
Location: Ashbourne
Posts: 687
You could try calling the place that did the belts, they may have more in depth details as to what was changed..
some indys may also change the pump as a matter or course if they're switched on. but they should have a detailed invoice..Disco4 MY16 SDV6 Landmark Black
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26th Sep 2019 9:58 am
KostasA
Member Since: 23 Aug 2015
Location: nairobi
Posts: 286
kayble wrote:
closer to £220 + VAT for the JLR part., then the seal, and the labour fitting on top of that.
To play devil's advocate - there's the prospect of an owner chosing not to change the pump on their car; for example they feel their vehicle is not in the vulnerable range - and they consider the cost of the part and its installation at the time of a belt change, alongside the potential for improper crank seal installation leading to terminal engine damage through undetected/swift oil loss, as unjustified.
Again - previous posters aren't wrong; there's a wealth of information, anecdotal and otherwise, both on the TDV6 oil pump housing issue, and re: NJSS' previous example - of the general practice of changing fluids/filters on sealed-for-life transmissions (I did on my old 540i and 740i); i just don't think that owners, who haven't had work done that's not specified in the service schedule or otherwise specifed by the manufacturer, shouldn't be considered ill-advised or careless.
By all means price that in to the offer you make for a car that you're considering buying - the worst the seller can say is no.
Member Since: 01 Aug 2015
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 147
Yes - there's cheaper sources for both - particularly if you're not fussed by purchasing direct from LR and/or getting a part in an LR box.
I've purchased a bunch of stuff from AF - and if my engine hasn't seized/spun a bearing/blown the turbo/in some other way munged itself come my next belt change; I'll likely go back to them.
26th Sep 2019 3:30 pm
KostasA
Member Since: 23 Aug 2015
Location: nairobi
Posts: 286
But am sure that FoMoCo is genuine part, even LR is selling FoMoCo. So in reality is the question if you want to pay the extra value of buying from LR or using other sources and save some pennies.
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