Probably end up in an open prison with TV in room, etc and out in 2 with good behaviour - unlike the family who could of died and will spend rest of heir life living with the consequences of this idiot

It appears this incident started 20-25 minutes earlier and there was a passenger in the D4 - he's not been prosecuted but must have been just as big an idiot if he didn't try to stop this

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Nay, who was seen laughing with his male passenger, undertook a Mercedes and then, in an attempt to follow the Mazda, made an "absolutely ridiculous" turn, the court heard.

Poor justice system again

euangibson wrote:

I am at a loss as to when we will start treating these sort of incidents in parallel with what happens outside of a car.
My family's safety,every single day, is reliant on the actions and responsibilities of other roads users.....

CFB wrote:

I guess it's long enough for him to reflect on what he has done, life changing for him as presumably from a middle class fairly wealthy lifestyle/background? He will have to live with the memory of what he did for the rest of his life.

Bloody journalists though, why is this line relevant "Andrew Nay, 39, crashed his 3litre Land Rover"

What he was driving is of no consequence, it's the manner of it that caused this.

It is totally relevant. If this muppet had been driving an Aygo then those girls may still be walking. Any driver has to account of their vehicle and its capabilities and also the damage it can cause. A high powered nearly 3 tonne car at speed poses a far greater risk of carnage than a smaller car. I'm tired of dicks in 4x4's who drive too fast, too close and bully others because they have a big car that they think that they'll be ok if it goes wrong.

If this was at work I hope the HSE investigate JLR as I doubt this was the first time, I hope the press do some digging. Punishments in this country are a joke, he needs at least 15 years inside.

muddywheels4wd wrote:

The driving in this case doesn't look like a moment of madness

DG wrote:

This is by no way to diminish the severity of this case but even the most level headed and professional of drivers can be subject to road rage... so it's easy to preach what he should or shouldn't have done ...no doubt he knows it ...and we know it.

Thankfully outcomes like this are rare but thousands of similar rage incidents are occurring on our roads every day ...right now..and all of them have a potential to go badly wrong in a split second as seen here.

Who here can hold there hands up and say they have never had red mist? Even a little bit of red mist will impair your judgement and rationale ...though you have to hope not for long enough to result in disaster.

If you set aside the emotional aspect. The judicial system has worked here to the extent of the available tariff and terms of application.... Let's remember that he isn't the only one being let out on license after serving half term inside, there are murderers who will do exactly the same. If we want that tariff changed then the government requires lobbying to change the law.

As for the Land Rover brand implication I think it's difficult to assess the impact but I'm sure that reasonable persons wouldn't lay any blame at their door. According to LinkedIn ..this chap managed an event venue for LR and to achieve that status I can only imagine that to this point he would have been a competent employee.

Lawyers would have to demonstrate that they are vicariously liable for any of his actions ...if he was in the course of his employment then that would be easy ...I think though to say that this case implies that all LRE instructors should be mistrusted is wholly wrong.

Bad decisions, red mist, anger is something we all are all exposed to at some point ...let us all hope that none has a similar outcome.

This was not road rage. Road rage is a bit of tailgating and some verbal abuse and hand gestures. This is arguably psychotic behaviour using a deadly 3 tonne weapon that maimed 2 children. Red mist my . Suggesting Nay was a 'level headed driver' is as offensive as it is stupid. He is also a liar "In evidence, Nay denied chasing the Mazda, saying he had noticed 'nothing in particular' during his journey and was turning towards a garden centre in his car when he crashed." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-36...l?ITO=1490

There is a time and place for trolling. This isn't it. You have watcehd the video, haven't you? To be in any way apologist for Nay's driving is frankly offensive.

The law is an ass, as has been demonstrated yet again by this case. It highlights the deep flaws in our criminal justice system that treat deliberate violent behaviour as a motoring offence. If he'd maimed those two girls with a baseball bat in his rage he'd have gone away for much longer, yet gets off lightly as he was in a car. It is also quite inhumane to take the emotion out of this situation, although the legal profession and the courts are well known for their often self serving and inhumane approach. I speak as someone who has direct experience of the criminal justice system in relation to traffic and other offences.

As for Land Rover, as I said if he was driving for work it is an HSE issue. It should cast serious questions over the competence of Land Rover drivers and their training and management as well as their safety systems if someone in their employment and a so-called professional driver of theirs can engage in such utterly ridiculous behaviour. This was not a momentary lapse of concentration or misjudgement, it was a sustained period of dangerous driving that required pre-meditation to continue beyond the initial angry reaction.

I hold an advanced driving qualification from an organisation that takes driving seriously, where red mist forms a key part of the training as anyone with any proper training will know. When I was on a high from passing my final drive I was sat in a room with the others and put in front of a video. It was the story of someone who had done our course and then driven like an idiot. It wasn't road rage, just overconfidence. That person killed someone. The video was the story from both the driver's and family's perspective. The driver got longer inside than Nay, and my organisation looked to appeal his sentence as they felt it was too light. That's how seriously they viewed it. I left the room wondering whether I wanted to do the job as it was shocking to see how easily it could go wrong and the consequences. I then fully understood the implications of the qualification I held and the responsibility that went with it. And how I would be hung out to dry if I let red mist etc descend.

I have worked around LR instructors in the past - it is fair to say the attitudes and skills were mixed and LR has had issues in the past over its drivers, particularly in the BMW days when they were involved in serious accidents. It is niave in the extreme to assume JLR drivers are any more competent than anyone else, without any explanation. Beyond a normal driving licence and driving up and down slopes on a demo track exactly what recognised road driving qualifications did Nay or any other LR driver have? Clearly not training in the basics of behaviour of professional drivers - red mist is covered in "Roadcraft".

"Fraser Hopes, the driver of the Mercedes, said Nay's Land Rover then began to tailgate him and in his rear view mirror he could see two men 'smiling' and 'having a laugh'." If that's what a "properly trained" professional Land Rover driver does then their training system is frankly laughable and wholly inadequate. Can you evidence the training that these people actually get or are you making huge assumptions?

Finally your assertion that these cases are rare is drivel. They are not. They are rarely reported in the press but they are not at all rare. This case only made the news as there was spectacular dashcam footage and it was publicised by the family. Many other cases go upreported or are dorpped by the CPS. As someone who deals with serious collisions even fatalities are barely reported if there is no particularly newsworthy angle. Irrespective of whether they are rare, the deliberate nature of Nay's driving and behaviour, as well as his lies in court, means it should treated much more harshly than a poor judgement call in my view.