knwatkins
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Actually, yes, I agree Moo. As long as it doesn't impact those around them. Kev
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RRSTDV8
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knwatkins wrote:Iguana wrote:BBC News - Sam Smith changes pronouns to they/them
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49688123
Ridiculous. i'm no English language wizard, but this application is clearly wrong. They/them are plural terms. Even if he cannot work out if he's male or female - there's still only one of him!
They/them have been used as singular pronouns for several hundred years. 
Its use is quite common: "if anyone is unhappy with the situation, they may come and see me later" for example, might often be heard in a school classroom, or an office meeting room. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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| 16th Sep 2019 10:21 pm |
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knwatkins
Member Since: 19 Sep 2018
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I stand corrected Kev
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| 16th Sep 2019 10:23 pm |
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Moo
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Hardware
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who're you calling "diverse" ?
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| 16th Sep 2019 11:17 pm |
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astonbuilder
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The mother called Hobbit, both parents are circus performers and both members of extinction rebellion: the signs were always there that they’re likely “a bit different to ‘normal’ folk” 
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Gorilla63
Member Since: 18 May 2019
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RRSTDV8 wrote:knwatkins wrote:Iguana wrote:BBC News - Sam Smith changes pronouns to they/them
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49688123
Ridiculous. i'm no English language wizard, but this application is clearly wrong. They/them are plural terms. Even if he cannot work out if he's male or female - there's still only one of him!
They/them have been used as singular pronouns for several hundred years.
Its use is quite common: "if anyone is unhappy with the situation, they may come and see me later" for example, might often be heard in a school classroom, or an office meeting room.
Not entirely correct due to application. In your classroom example, the person is addressing a collective, therefore, "they". If someone was addressing one person, they wouldn't use "they" they would use "you": "If you are unhappy, you may come and see me later ". You cannot address a singular person as "they", it is incorrect.
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| 17th Sep 2019 5:58 am |
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RRSTDV8
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The use of "they" as a singular pronoun dates back to the 14th Century. It is perfectly correct to use it thus.
In my classroom example, the "they" refers to the "anyone" at the start of the sentence. That the sentence is spoken to a group is irrelevant, the subject is an individual. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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| 17th Sep 2019 6:56 am |
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Gorilla63
Member Since: 18 May 2019
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Clearly it refers to more than one person. Anyway, you can refer to them any way you choose. Let's leave it there.
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| 17th Sep 2019 8:01 am |
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RRSTDV8
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As stated, its use as a singular pronoun goes back almost as far as its use as a plural pronoun. But hey, let's not worry about the details.
I wonder if people would be so upset by the particular use of language if it wasn't being used by "them"... Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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| 17th Sep 2019 8:07 am |
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Gorilla63
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Hauling out the victim card, and trying to portray people as anti, still does not validate the use of "them" as a singular term. But hey, let's not jump on any PC bandwagon.
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| 17th Sep 2019 8:15 am |
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RRSTDV8
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At the risk of getting concussion from banging my head against a wall, the use of "they" as a singular pronoun goes back for several hundred years. It is perfectly valid English.
Just because your use of the English language is limited, does not mean others must limit their own use to match yours. Non-PC, no victims inferred. Happier now? Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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| 17th Sep 2019 8:45 am |
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Iguana
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Moo wrote:We live in a wonderfully rich and diverse world.
100% agree Moo, it's just me being a dinosaur and trying to understand Iggy/Ieuan
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| 17th Sep 2019 9:14 am |
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ianm27
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HWN wrote:Thinking about it, 'I'm sorry, Darling, but I wouldn't want to trigger any unconcious gender bias* is a pretty good excuse not to change any nappies.
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| 17th Sep 2019 9:53 am |
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ianm27
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Iguana wrote:Moo wrote:We live in a wonderfully rich and diverse world.
100% agree Moo, it's just me being a dinosaur and trying to understand
But isn't an Iguana a living lizard and not an extinct dinosaur?? Uncle Ray's spare wheel protector
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