I've been busy playing with my new toy this afternoon & have to say i'm impressed with the level of detail I can interrogate the vehicle for.
I was interested to see the results form the ECU Info report I ran. It stated a number of ECU's have updates available for them. I presume it references this directly back to Gap / BAS.
My question is which might be an obvious one, If I buy a ECU update from Gap / BAS will it cover all the updates the IID Tool states in one or will I need to buy multiple updates to cover each ECU?
I also see in the manual that possibly some of the ECU updates may be available to me now through the ECU flash section of the tool. I've not ventured into this section yet!
How do i know which I need to purchase & which are already available to me?
Here is the list of updates The vehicle has available for it.
Airbag
Update available
Part Part number Part number
Assembly (F113) Unknown -> 8H22-14B321-ED
Hardware (F191) 8H22-14C246-AA Up-to-date
Serial UAV7F0XXXX
Strategy (F188) 8H22-14C028-AC -> 8H22-14C028-AD
Engine TDV6
Update available
Part Part number Part number
Assembly (F113) NNW507860 = 7H2Q-12A650-AF -> 7H22-12A650-NA
Calibration (F124) NNS505550 = 7H22-12K532-BE -> 7H22-12K532-CA
Hardware (F191) NNN501000 = 7H2Q-12B684-AA Up-to-date
Serial 87663XXXX
Strategy (F188) NNV505100 = 7H2Q-14C204-AA Up-to-date
Instrument Pack
Update available
Part Part number Part number
Assembly (F112) YAC502440 = 8H22-10849-BA Up-to-date
Hardware (F191) YAH500190 = 7H22-14C226-BB Up-to-date
Serial XXXX885002000000
Strategy (F188) NNV503760 = 5H22-14C100-AHA -> 8H22-14C026-AB
Navigation
Update available
Part Part number Part number
Assembly (F113) Unknown -> 7H22-10E889-AC
Hardware (F191) YIE500100 = 6H22-14C234-AB
Serial XXXX403520000000
Strategy (F188) NNV504750 = 7H42-14C060-AC -> 7H42-14C060-AD
Transfer Case
Update available
Part Part number Part number
Assembly (F112) NNW508480 = 7H42-7H417-AB Up-to-date
Hardware (F191) IGG500080 = 5H32-14C365-AA Up-to-date
Serial PA3T2507XXXX
Strategy (F188) NNV505630 = 7H42-14C366-AB -> 7H42-14C366-AC
Transmission
Update available
Part Part number Part number
Assembly (F112) NNW507910 = 7H22-7Z369-CC -> 6H22-7Z369-JA
Assembly (F113) TGD500570 -> None
Calibration (F124) NNS504620 = 6H22-7J105-CC -> 6H22-7J105-JA
Hardware (F191) THC500061 = 6H22-14C247-AA Up-to-date
Serial 107842660000XXXX
It's all a foreign language to me, but i'm sure makes perfect sense to our learned friends here
Thanks GuysMY16 D4 Landmark SDV6 (The Ice Maiden)
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The only one you need to pay for is if you havea BAS remap file, all other updates that are available are on the tool, but read up on using the tool to flash your ECU's before attempting to do any.
Flack
24th Jun 2017 6:29 pm
tayaste
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Mick, I might be wrong but, I thought ECU updates (other than compressor) were chargeable unless on a pro tool.
24th Jun 2017 7:15 pm
Dudleydisco
Member Since: 20 Jun 2014
Location: York
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My understanding is the same as Tayaste's. Unless you have a Pro Tool and pay the annual subscription, then all the ECU updates are chargeable. Your best bet is to email Pat at GAP.
As has been said many times on the forum, ECU updates are not like your usual Windows Updates. The general advice seems to be that unless you've got a specific problem, then updating ECUs doesn't seem like a good idea D4 MY14 XXV - RLD/IID BT
D4 MY13 HSE Lux - RLD/IID BT
P38 RR - Sad parting
110 - Even sadder parting
S3 88" - Still going strong after 23 years of ownership
I'll pick a couple of less important looking updates & have a look in the tool to see if they are available to update in the flash section. If not, I guess it's a chargeable update. What wasn't clear to me on the GAP site was if one charge covered all the ECU updates but as a single one off update or if it was a charge for each ECU you wished to update.
If I can't work it out i'll drop Pat a line to see what's what.
Thanks for the heads up on the ECU flashing risks Flack, already considering how to ensure I have enough backup power should I consider a flash although it does have a new EA1000 in it.
Is there away way to find out what the updates address? As it is, the vehicle starts & everything works but if aren't working as they should or could be improved i wouldn't know. Knowing what the update addresses would at least allow informed choice whether to update or leave as is.
Life was simpler not having all this extra information to hand MY16 D4 Landmark SDV6 (The Ice Maiden)
Uncle Ray's spare wheel protector
MY08 D3 HSE Stornoway (Miss Moneypit) The money tree withered......
Yes Guys you are correct I keep forgetting I have a pro tool and think all the others are the same lol..
I am old now as well
Flack
24th Jun 2017 8:24 pm
PatGAPInnov Site Sponsor
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Posts: 745
Hi Guys
When it comes to the regular and IIDTool BT (Bluetooth), the following ECU updates are available for the D3:
-Suspension ECU for compressor replacement with AMK or updating with the latest firmware which has improvements to prolong compressor life.
-Bluetooth/Cell Phone, fixes pairing issues with later phones. Language change
-Instrument pack for clock on dash viewing (2004-2006)
-Navigation for destination entry while on the move
-Body Control to enable 3 turn flash (lane changing flash... 2004-2006)
They are all detailed in the ECU Flash section of the user manual:
These pretty much cover the D3/LR3 and RRS up to 2009 since other ECU updates have proven to give less, and sometimes no improvements. There are, however, two exceptions which are the transmission and transfer case. Transmission one helps fix the California stop issue while the transfer case helps with a loose in the drivetrain type issue. These are available via our fast lane service (25 GBP each to cover manual selection of the proper file). Of course, all other ECU files can be obtained via the fast lane service if required.
Thanks for the detailed reply. I guess as I already have the Cod, 3 flash and sat on the move enabled it explains why it shows as an update to the standard.
I'm interested to learn more about the engine, transfer box and transmission updates though.
What's the california stop for the transmission for example?
ThanksMY16 D4 Landmark SDV6 (The Ice Maiden)
Uncle Ray's spare wheel protector
MY08 D3 HSE Stornoway (Miss Moneypit) The money tree withered......
26th Jun 2017 6:45 pm
PatGAPInnov Site Sponsor
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Location: Montreal
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You're welcome.
Engine is rarely updated since stable and most updates are for enhanced power via a BAS tune.
Transfer case shall be left alone unless you are trying to fix a drivetrain issue.
The California stop symptoms manifest themselves when reducing speed when entering a roundabout and not stopping the vehicle completely. Giving it gas will produce a thump which can be quite significant in some cases. Updating the transmission helps since they have revised algorithms to provide smoother shifting thus eliminating this issue. There is, however, a risk associated with working on a transmission when they are worn out.
Helped me put things into perspective and not get over excited about updating everything. Although Dudleydisco did warn not to be to hasty in applying updates.
The california stop is an interesting one as I do get that symptom but the box is showing signs of wear at 135k miles.
I'll have to give it consideration and give you a shout if I want to go for the update
Thank again for the info Pat
Cheers
NickMY16 D4 Landmark SDV6 (The Ice Maiden)
Uncle Ray's spare wheel protector
MY08 D3 HSE Stornoway (Miss Moneypit) The money tree withered......
26th Jun 2017 8:01 pm
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PatGAPInnov wrote:
You're welcome.
Engine is rarely updated since stable and most updates are for enhanced power via a BAS tune.
Transfer case shall be left alone unless you are trying to fix a drivetrain issue.
The California stop symptoms manifest themselves when reducing speed when entering a roundabout and not stopping the vehicle completely. Giving it gas will produce a thump which can be quite significant in some cases. Updating the transmission helps since they have revised algorithms to provide smoother shifting thus eliminating this issue. There is, however, a risk associated with working on a transmission when they are worn out.
Cheers
Pat
I have done 50 miles since applying the California stop reflash and have to say it really is like driving a different car, I was seriously considering getting rid as it really was starting to bug me big time.
Best 25 quid I have spent in a while
17th Jul 2017 1:35 pm
bimblephish
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How many miles on your box?
17th Jul 2017 1:46 pm
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Glad it helped.
We've updated ours a few years ago which had 120 k Miles on it at the time. We had similar results, it changed the behaviour dramatically. Of course, adaptations have to be relearned but once they are done, it’s quite an improvement.
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lynalldiscovery wrote:
PatGAPInnov wrote:
You're welcome.
Engine is rarely updated since stable and most updates are for enhanced power via a BAS tune.
Transfer case shall be left alone unless you are trying to fix a drivetrain issue.
The California stop symptoms manifest themselves when reducing speed when entering a roundabout and not stopping the vehicle completely. Giving it gas will produce a thump which can be quite significant in some cases. Updating the transmission helps since they have revised algorithms to provide smoother shifting thus eliminating this issue. There is, however, a risk associated with working on a transmission when they are worn out.
Cheers
Pat
I have done 50 miles since applying the California stop reflash and have to say it really is like driving a different car, I was seriously considering getting rid as it really was starting to bug me big time.
Best 25 quid I have spent in a while
looks like a plan , will also get mine done , is annoying more than anything
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Yes Guys you are correct I keep forgetting I have a pro tool and think all the others are the same lol..
