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I am thinking Q7 as well for the reason above.
Additionaly, here in Hungary the dealer (we have only one in the country) is so bad that you cannot belive. There is still nothing about the new Discovery 5 on there website. When I phoned them, they could not tell me, what the price or when the price will be released, or when they have a car, etc. For every question on the Discovery 5, their answer was "we do not know it yet". Ridiculous LR D3 S Black, Auto TDV6
21st Oct 2016 8:25 am
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I'm off to view a D5 in a few weeks but I'm also looking at the Q7 and Merc GL. I'm yet to be convinced by what I've read and seen about the D5. If it had a split tail gate than it would be a done deal with the 3.0l but the one unique standout feature that set the Discovery apart from all others has been canned. D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
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21st Oct 2016 8:31 am
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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Mralig wrote:
First post here.
Has anyone heard anything further on the Ingenium 6 cylinder or SDV6 in the Discovery 5.
I currently have a RRS HSE Dynamic.
My main issue is there isn't much room in the third row seats and the boots isn't that large for such a large car.
I thought the Discovery would be exactly what I needed until I saw the engine choices. I pointed out to a rather non plussed salesman that it is pretty much the slowest car you can buy for £60,000.
Like YT above I have been seriously considering a Q7 or SQ7. I test drove everything similar to the Discovery 5, which I felt to be the Q7, XC90 and Tesla Model X. All 7 seater cars, the only other option is maybe a Mercedes GLS, but I have driven an R-Class and it felt like a bus as well as feeling like a car out of the dark ages. I was very surprised that the Q7 was as quiet and as smooth riding as the RRS. The Tesla was too noisy and I don't like that you can't fold down the middle seats and the XC90 felt like a cheaper car that has been tarted up.
So I ended up Q7 or Discover 5 and then waited on the unveiling.
I like the looks of it. I like the space. It probably feels more luxurious than a Q7, although less hi tech. But For £10k more it is way slower. A Q7 3.0 S-Line gets to 62 in 6.5s or for £10k more than a Discovery 5 I could get an Sq7 that gets to 62 in 4.9. I have also factored in the 10%+ discounts you can get on a Q7. Although you lose it at the other end in higher depreciation.
My suspicion is that the Ingenium 6 cylinder will be in the Discovery 5 around the end of next year. It will be lighter and faster and more economical. This would fix my main issue. Magazine articles suggest it will be 275, 340 or 400hp. Even 275 plus a lighter engine would be an improvement. Although maybe a Discovery SVR would be nice with 400
The Disco isn't a sports car and was never intended to be a sports SUV that's what the RRS is for IMO, the SDV6 (256hp) engine in the current Disco ain't no slouch, it pulls well and its smooth. The TD6 in the new car is up again slightly on horse power 258. For me 0-62 times don't come into the equation when buying a Disco, it's how it fills its roll as a big, practical load lugger and the current is second to none but LR have crossed that boundary with the new Disco.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
21st Oct 2016 9:50 am
al cope
Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
Location: Oldbury, WM
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I have it on good authority that the 5Ltr SC will be in the D5 SVR
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21st Oct 2016 11:05 am
Mralig
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 8
J77 wrote:
The Disco isn't a sports car and was never intended to be a sports SUV that's what the RRS is for IMO, the SDV6 (256hp) engine in the current Disco ain't no slouch, it pulls well and its smooth. The TD6 in the new car is up again slightly on horse power 258. For me 0-62 times don't come into the equation when buying a Disco, it's how it fills its roll as a big, practical load lugger and the current is second to none but LR have crossed that boundary with the new Disco.
You're right. The Discovery isn't a sports car. But the Discovery 5 as positioned is now a luxury family car.
I understand this isn't perhaps what past owners purchased. Personally I would never have bought a previous Discovery as it is simply too heavy, but I mainly am looking for a large practical family car.
Having repositioned the car as such with a large price increase and an interior almost identical to the RRS you have to consider its position in the market. I don't need a car that does 0-62 in 5 or 6 seconds, but at over 8 seconds you have a car with similar performance to a 1.4TSI Golf coming in at £20,000 or slightly slower than a BMW 520d at 35,000. It is slower than the 2.0D T5 XC90 at around £50,000 and much slower than an X5, Q7 etc all of which have moved from being more expensive cars than the D4 to cheaper cars than the D5. Already the RRS has worse straight line performance than these cars, but I accept that as it has excellent handling and refinement in comparison. I have to note that LR quote a 0-60 time of 7.7 seconds for the Discovery 5, but the 0-62 time which most other manufacturers quote for comparison is over 8seconds. Also most tests I have seen on the RRS suggest that LR are much more optimistic with their quoted performance figures than other manufacturers.
The issue is that they have moved the Discovery from being one of the cheaper large SUVs priced in the £45k range after discounts, to a car likely priced in the £60-65k range. With this comes higher expectations. £60,000 should not be getting you a car with run of the mill performance. I think 0-62 in around 7 seconds should be a minimum requirement for a £60,000 car.
21st Oct 2016 12:46 pm
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21st Oct 2016 1:01 pm
Mralig
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: Edinburgh
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That's fair.
I am using 0-62 as a proxy without further information. As most large cars are turbocharged nowadays you rarely have the issue of highly stressed engines producing good 0-62 but poor in gear figures. Generally there is a good correlation between 0-62 and 30-70. I think it's a reasonable guess that the Discovery 5 will be one of the slowest cars in the class for in gear acceleration also.
21st Oct 2016 1:21 pm
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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Yes the current Disco is heavy, but it's a safe, practical, family car and is capable of leaving many cars standing at traffic lights. I still fail to see the relevance of 0-62 times as a priority when buying a car like a Discovery, has plenty power for safe overtaking which is all that's needed. Maybe I'm just being thick.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
21st Oct 2016 1:39 pm
Mralig
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 8
Of course you're not being thick. Just different priorities.
I love the idea of a car that can do everything. The RRS gets close to that for me. Refined, luxurious, 7 seats, good handling and performance.
I'd like two more things. More technology, especially for safety and a little more space. The Discovery 5 delivers these but loses out on performance. If someone else has different priorities to me then they might find it exactly what they need.
I drive mainly in town with some dual carriageway/motorway and virtually never on A roads. Thus throttle response and 0-30 are more important than they might otherwise be. Also you really feel the weight of a heavier car on tight turns, it's much less of an issue out of town. The RRS produces a nice balance of handling and ride. Prior to that I had an X5 which was too stiff but I accepted that versus poor handling as I had to compromise.
I am hoping they improve the engine then I will order a D5
I basically think the D5 has moved into the XC90, Q7, X5 market and the engine is probably the least competitive aspect. It is also likely to be poorer on real world fuel economy, ignoring some of the laughable official figures.
21st Oct 2016 1:52 pm
robpenrose
Member Since: 12 Jan 2016
Location: Surrey / SW London
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Get it remapped. I assume the 306 hp sdv6 in the rrs is the same engine as the 245/255 engine in the D4 and will. E in the D5.
I appreciate most won't want to do it on a new car but it may sort your issue in an otherwise perfectly fitting car by the sounds of it.
I've yet to see one in the flesh, but I don't think it's for me. I think I would prefer a Toyota Landcruiser amazon V8, despite being very old had by comparison.
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21st Oct 2016 2:02 pm
al cope
Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
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Thats exactly what some of the site sponsors can do, a remap to 308BHP and 700Nm of torque from the D4 SDV6, the same engine thats going in the D5
Forget the bhp, that torque ought to be plenty for most folks
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21st Oct 2016 2:08 pm
Mralig
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: Edinburgh
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That's an interesting idea, although I do prefer to keep things standard. I always worry the insurance companies will take a dim view of it, but maybe I am wrong.
I thought the TDV6 was signal turbo and the SDV6 was dual, although when I have tried to look at the technical details they have seemed a little vague. But I have no doubt you could get more power and torque from the TDV6.
It has reminded me though, that the SDV6 in the RRS isn't great. The X5 V6 makes a lovely sound when revved. The SDV6 makes a sound that says I'll do this, but I don't really want to. Generally it is a miserable sounding engine, although forum posts I have read suggest the revised engines recently are better. Luckily it is quite quiet when not pressed so it is ok overall.
Hopefully an Ingenium 6 cylinder would be smoother, quieter and use less fuel as well as being a little more powerful. Also a little lighter. Being a straight six would probably help.
I struggle to be patient, but I am thinking that if I ordered a D5 today it wouldn't arrive until May time anyway and Ingenium 6 cylinders may only be 6 months behind that.
21st Oct 2016 4:32 pm
110CSW
Member Since: 19 Oct 2005
Location: Scotland
Posts: 796
My Disco will be three years old when the first cars arrive so I am going to wait another two years and, hopefully, get one of the new six cylinder engines - petrol or diesel - if they are out in time. For me the launch diesel engines are too close in performance to each other and I refuse to take a 4 pot at this price level, hence the wait. I would hope that 300PS is the power output of the new 6 cylinder diesel.2014MY Discovery
24th Oct 2016 7:34 am
petersw
Member Since: 17 Nov 2012
Location: Norfolk
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@ 110CSW
I thought the new petrol V6 engine is available on the D5?
I stand to be correctedPeter
24th Oct 2016 9:04 am
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