Member Since: 04 Feb 2015
Location: Gloucester
Posts: 329
How fast does your D3 turn over?
If you have an iid tool please can you tell me how fast it turns over when cold as trying to figure out if my starters dying.
Also how many psi are in the fuel rail before it starts.
Cheers
F
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12th Jun 2022 10:49 am
rrhool
Member Since: 28 Aug 2014
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 4400
Just got a new battery, mine turns over about twice as fast as it did before!Richard
D3 SE 2007. Triumph 2.5Pi 1973. Ferguson TEA20 1948.
Discovery 2 4.0 ES 2001- Gone
Discovery 1 300Tdi ES '95 - Gone
Range Rover Classic '79 - Gone
12th Jun 2022 3:44 pm
Flapper
Member Since: 04 Feb 2015
Location: Gloucester
Posts: 329
I have already done that in Feb but have nobody local who I can compare with
12th Jun 2022 7:00 pm
Yankee_Rover
Member Since: 02 Jun 2021
Location: Seattle
Posts: 183
This for TDV6?
My V8 cranks for about 1/2 to 1 second before it catches. I can check more specifically next time we run it if that’s help to you.2008 LR3 HSE, 4.4L V8
13th Jun 2022 3:03 am
Shealesy
Member Since: 09 May 2021
Location: Caithness
Posts: 221
Like a stabbed rat, but for a second or two longer than I’d like, before catching and starting. My mates was similar a few weeks back but caught faster. Stabbed rat.
Not sure how I’d measure cranking speed. Maybe RPM in live values as I start? Recording as I turn the key? I’ll have a look later as I need to move it.
Will also record the fuel rail pressure and see what that’s doing.
I did once replace the starter on our old transit as it had a pathetic turnover speed (once a second, if at all), put the new one on and it also turned like a stabbed rat. Pulled the old one apart and I’d be surprised if more than 2 of the 6 (8?) brushes were actually doing anything. It really was feeble on the old one.D3 HSE - MY05 - Java black
Vauxhall Insignia Country Tourer
GAP IIDBT G3
2x Colliewobbles and a Kelpie
Sorry, couldn't resist and apologies to anyone who can't see FB.
Dean
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2011 D4 XS - OBD port protection, RLD spare wheel protector, All LED interiors lights, Timed Climate enabled, iiD tool paired.
2011 D4 Landmark - Stolen from same dealer before I paid for it
2011 D4 GS - Stolen whilst at dealer ... All LED interiors lights, DRLs, Spare Wheel protector.
1996 300Tdi - Eaten by tin worms
13th Jun 2022 11:39 am
Shealesy
Member Since: 09 May 2021
Location: Caithness
Posts: 221
Here you go, cranking in the 200rpm range, after about 1sec the fuel pressure jumps from zero to lots, then it catches and starts before it settles into a (very rough this morning) idle. Hasn’t run for about 2 weeks so it had a bit of a smokers belch to start with.
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D3 HSE - MY05 - Java black
Vauxhall Insignia Country Tourer
GAP IIDBT G3
2x Colliewobbles and a Kelpie
2011 D4 XS - OBD port protection, RLD spare wheel protector, All LED interiors lights, Timed Climate enabled, iiD tool paired.
2011 D4 Landmark - Stolen from same dealer before I paid for it
2011 D4 GS - Stolen whilst at dealer ... All LED interiors lights, DRLs, Spare Wheel protector.
1996 300Tdi - Eaten by tin worms
13th Jun 2022 11:54 am
Flapper
Member Since: 04 Feb 2015
Location: Gloucester
Posts: 329
Shealesy
That's exactly what i needed so yours spins over at 200 rpm 0% fuel pressure which builds, then its fires and climbs rapidly.
I must ask how do you get that graph on here as that's fantastic.
can anybody else post the same as a comparison mean while i'll have a go at doing the same (once i know how)
I think mines slower and only starts on the second crank.
F
13th Jun 2022 2:36 pm
Flapper
Member Since: 04 Feb 2015
Location: Gloucester
Posts: 329
Sorry its a TDV6 diesel not a petrol. my bad should have said in the beginning.
F
13th Jun 2022 2:40 pm
nigethecat
Member Since: 11 Sep 2016
Location: Marnoch
Posts: 4142
Sorry, couldn't resist and apologies to anyone who can't see FB
I'm glad I'm not the only one who wondered... or was going to answer "it depends how fast you were driving round the corner!" I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
Corris Grey D4 Commercial SE 2016
Zermatt Sliver 2007 D3 SE manual (gone)
Indus Silver D4 HSE 2015 (gone)
Bonatti Grey D3 HSE 2006 (gone)
White D3 S (LHD) 2007 (gone)
Firenze Red D4 HSE 2014 (gone)
Black RRS 3.6TDV8 2008 (gone)
Rusty Green Defender 110 1997 (gone)
Black FL2 HSE 2013 (gone)
13th Jun 2022 2:44 pm
Flapper
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Location: Gloucester
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13th Jun 2022 2:50 pm
Shealesy
Member Since: 09 May 2021
Location: Caithness
Posts: 221
Exactly as you read it yes, and also a TDV6. As I say it was a lumpy start after being sat for 2 weeks. Also just found a fuel leak I’ve been ignoring/hunting for a year
That’s a logged live values on the GAP tool, then simply scaled to fit the appropriate timeframe/info, screenshot and post.D3 HSE - MY05 - Java black
Vauxhall Insignia Country Tourer
GAP IIDBT G3
2x Colliewobbles and a Kelpie
13th Jun 2022 3:01 pm
Flapper
Member Since: 04 Feb 2015
Location: Gloucester
Posts: 329
Well what a desaster got the graph but have no idea on how to record it , stop it, or post it.
As far as I could see my turns over at about 100 rpm I think! as it shot off the page also the scale was 0 to 500 to 1000 etc so need to change thar as well.
Please post a numty guide of how to do this, as its awesome.
I'd be looking at earth straps. When you're pulling high amps, extra resistance will drop the volts at the starter which logically will spin slower as a result.
Fixed a mate's Cortina intermittent starting issues years ago ... undid everything except the 12v feed so it wouldn't crash to the floor, only for it to drop taking about half the copper of the cable with it and leaving the insulation attached to the other half.
Fortunately it didn't get damaged hitting the floor. Unfortunately that was because my face was there to break the fall. .
Dean
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2011 D4 XS - OBD port protection, RLD spare wheel protector, All LED interiors lights, Timed Climate enabled, iiD tool paired.
2011 D4 Landmark - Stolen from same dealer before I paid for it
2011 D4 GS - Stolen whilst at dealer ... All LED interiors lights, DRLs, Spare Wheel protector.
1996 300Tdi - Eaten by tin worms
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