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Miguel
Member Since: 16 Sep 2008
Location: Viseu
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| Front knocking.. is this right? |
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Hi all!
I had a knocking in the RH side front suspension, so I took my disco to the dealer, and the first step was to put in the ARB bush spacers.. It got better but just for a while (1 week maybe), but the knocking got back and louder.
So i took it back thinking that it could be a simple problem solved by replacing a few bushes.. ended up paying for 2 lower control arms (left and right).
From your experience, is this the correct procedure? shouldn't the bush replacement sort it out? Or are they just desperate to make money? I can't shake the feeling that I was scammed...
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 19th Oct 2009 12:34 pm |
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Gareth
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Member Since: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Bramhall
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Often its easier to quickly swap out a whole unit with new bushes already fitted, than it is to spend time renewing bushes in an old control arm.
Whether its cheaper or not is debatable. Certainly for DIY, bush replacement would be much cheaper.
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| 19th Oct 2009 1:17 pm |
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Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
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But the wishbone bushes have to be fitted a certain way. After fitting a set even with the LR special tools, i definately wouldnt like to do it without... Labourwise, i would say its cheaper to replace the arms as a complete unit...
Assuming there was no play in the ball joints, steering arms and lower steering shaft, then it sounds like it may have been the bushes, though they tend to knock mostly when you hit the brakes sharply...
Anyway, did the new arms fix it? Can you ask to see the old arms, and check the ball joints in them? My D3 Build Thread
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| 19th Oct 2009 6:04 pm |
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PaulP
Member Since: 04 May 2007
Location: Barcelona
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| Re: Front knocking.. is this right? |
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Miguel wrote:Or are they just desperate to make money? I can't shake the feeling that I was scammed...
I agree with what Gareth and Mikey are telling you...
I know a few people that have had this done, both at official LR dealers and an independant 4x4 workshop and each time they have replaced the whole control arm assembly as it worked out to be the cheapest, most sensible option.
I don't think you've been scammed  2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Auto Buckingham Blue
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| 19th Oct 2009 6:25 pm |
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Miguel
Member Since: 16 Sep 2008
Location: Viseu
Posts: 103
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I must say that my disco is now as it never was before (in my hands at least), they definitely solved the problem, no more knocking, either when braking or in bad roads/off road. It drives much better and more confidently, before it seemed that the front right wheel was not part of the car!
They only charged me 100 € +VAT for each arm (they told me that they cost over 170 € +VAT without discount), plus labour, but they never gave me the option of replacing the bushes, or even approached that question.
That is what left me thinking.. but I do have a new car now, so might as well forget about it and enjoy my new ride!
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| 20th Oct 2009 10:04 am |
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Dickydisco
Member Since: 03 Feb 2009
Location: Colchester
Posts: 501
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Just to add to this, I put mine in to have the bushes done and they garage called me and said it had taken them all day to get the lower wishbone off and that the pins had seezed solid in the bushes. They said they won't even try the other side unless I got a complete arm. So I did and now Im just waiting for it back. They said they are going to cut the old arm in half to get it off. don't know how right that is.Hope this will solve my knocking. already done ARB and drop links Current: D3 commercial
Past: but not forgotten D3 HSE x2, 5 TD5 disco2's, 1 200tdi disco1, 2 300tdi disco1 one of which was a commercial, Off roader with a rather large spec, ARB's and big travel suspension to name a few.
Pajero SWB 2.8 for off road playdays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYBx3SCl8vs check this for laughs
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| 3rd Nov 2009 7:13 pm |
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Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
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Dickydisco wrote:They said they are going to cut the old arm in half to get it off
A bit extreme if you ask me. They do seize, but are relatively easy to get out once you know how. Give you a clue, it involves a big hammer  My D3 Build Thread
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| 3rd Nov 2009 7:31 pm |
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caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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Dealer used a hammer on mine and mushroomed the hubs, then they jammed the rimms on and scored the inside. 
However they replaced the hubs and swapped a set of rims from a demo model. “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
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| 4th Nov 2009 2:32 am |
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caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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FIIK?
It was the front of the hub which guides the rim on. “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
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| 4th Nov 2009 7:54 am |
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Dickydisco
Member Since: 03 Feb 2009
Location: Colchester
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I am still waiting for the car back, Told them a big hammer was the way forward, only thing is I aint heard from them either so hope all has gone to plan.
They have marked the pins so when the put the new bushes and arm on they will be pretty much in the same place. Do you still advise to get it 4 wheel aligned? Current: D3 commercial
Past: but not forgotten D3 HSE x2, 5 TD5 disco2's, 1 200tdi disco1, 2 300tdi disco1 one of which was a commercial, Off roader with a rather large spec, ARB's and big travel suspension to name a few.
Pajero SWB 2.8 for off road playdays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYBx3SCl8vs check this for laughs
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| 5th Nov 2009 12:17 am |
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jjvd21
Member Since: 16 Jul 2007
Location: Chicago
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As Disco_Mikey said - get the alignment done. Had my lower control arms replaced 90 days ago and dealer insisted that alignment wasn't necessary. Contrary to recommendations on this forum I took the dealers word for it and am now showing inner tire wear. Get the alignment done no matter what the dealer says! 16 D4 Landmark
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| 5th Nov 2009 5:01 pm |
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10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
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Generally it's cheaper to replace the control arms ('wishbones') than replace individual bushes, the bushes also need to be aligned correctly if replaced.... The bolts need to be torqued up with the suspension at a set height not 'hanging free' to avoid pre-loading putting torsional stress on the new bushes
Me? I always recommend replacing the whole control arm, front or rear
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