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HADECS 3 speed camera's
Seeing these popping up more frequently and unsure what they monitor for as seems like they are there to monitor for the variable speed limits if you read the attached
However given variable limit motorways already have cameras on the gantries in certain places why add these as well?
In that link it does state that on the M25 they are set at 70mph so if that applies to all others (and the linked report states they are currently only sited on SMART motorways but more/most are converting to SMART anyway?) is this the thin-end of the wedge of all motorways becoming camera monitored at 70mph?
Would stack up with what my son was told on a speed awareness course he had to attend where the tutor/instructor was a serving traffic officer and he stated that all motorways would be camera monitored for 70mph once they were converted to SMART version.
Don't advocate speed per se but see this as using a sledgehammer to crack a nut as not enough visible policing so just use a cheap 24/7 camera to do the job and I don't think 80-85mph is 'ridiculous' at 5.00am on a deserted motorway in light, clear, conditions.
On the M6 between end of the toll road and up towards Cheshire these are displayed on the camera alert mapping in my RRS, not all of them though, indicating to me some are not (yet) live? However on heading south on M6 last time I was heading home from Liverpool one flashed on the North side and it wasn't marked on the satnav map......
Oh how I'm glad I'm not a 'petrol head' just starting out on driving...... what the next generation are going to miss, we were lucky indeed
31st Jul 2019 12:20 pm
kajtzu
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Here they’re used as part of the budget..... 2015 fines from cameras were only 20 MEUR, 2019 the budgeted figure is 74 MEUR.
Some of the placement locations are fairly ingenious and clearly intended to make people brake for real or get a fine - for example 50 meters after a 70 km/h or 80 km/h sign (coming from a 100 km/h speed). Waze knows all locations, though. Wouldn’t travel outside the Helsinki metro area without having it running.
31st Jul 2019 12:30 pm
astonbuilder
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That link is an interesting site to have a browse through. Didn't read all the detail but it said 1.8m fines issued in a year and at a minimum £100 a go that is £180m. Add in all the other fines motorists are pinged for (bus lanes, illegal turns, traffic lights, parking, etc.) its amazing how the country ran back when I was a kid with 'no cash' when it was news relayed around the family network if anyone ever got a speeding ticket
update on the OP this was a response in the Q&A section regarding expanding use of cameras to catch more people;
I was sent NIP M4 Bristol 85mph over 70mph automatic camera device. Is this legal as I thought only used on motorways when temporary speed limits in place?
Increasingly, Police forces across the UK are switching these so called motorway 'variable speed cameras' on outside of times when they are not enforcing a lowered variable speed limit of for example 50mph in heavy traffic.
Bedfordshire Police chief was the first to suggest their use 24/7 on motorways to enforce the national speed limit of 70mph.
31st Jul 2019 12:45 pm
Philip1972
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Yes is the answer to your question.
All M ways will be smart, with cameras set for speeds over 70mph (or whatever allowance over they deem fit).
But the long game is that will be able to track cars to be used for road charging. The current hardware is future proofed already with that functionality, ready for when it goes live.
31st Jul 2019 1:02 pm
astonbuilder
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good job I'm getting slower in my old age then
To be honest I don't go above an indicated 80mph (often a genuine 77-78mph via GPS) on motorways much but as said cruising on a deserted motorway in middle of the night with no lee-way seems a bit OTT but hey ho.
Will save the fun for the backroad blats along the lanes...............for now
31st Jul 2019 1:11 pm
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31st Jul 2019 2:25 pm
Philip1972
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Just 1 digit difference does the trick.
You can blame that on the dealer or company you bought the plate from, and say you never noticed.
31st Jul 2019 2:33 pm
davidhem
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I never go more than 70 when I see those cameras, they are very unforgiving, also if the sign above suddenly drops to 50 or 60 and there is a camera there, it will flash you if you are going over the limit even if the sign has just changed, I saw it happen on the M5.David
31st Jul 2019 3:15 pm
Mogwyth
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Re: HADECS 3 speed camera's
astonbuilder wrote:
In that link it does state that on the M25 they are set at 70mph so if that applies to all others (and the linked report states they are currently only sited on SMART motorways but more/most are converting to SMART anyway?) is this the thin-end of the wedge of all motorways becoming camera monitored at 70mph?
It actually says
"In the instance of the M25 smart motorway section in Kent, the speed limit is normally set to 70mph."
That's the limit not the camera. Recent FOI requests reveal that almost all forces are still routinely apply the 10% plus 2mph.
And bear in mind that site has one purpose to sell speed camera detectors: https://www.speedcamerasuk.com/speed-camera-detector-shop.htm==================================
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They have been around for over four years now, the link provided also on here from a thread back in 2015, they first appeared on the Surrey section of the M25 when it was widened to four lanes.
31st Jul 2019 4:55 pm
gje
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Most of the 'smart' motorways only have the cameras set to operate as/when the variable limits are set and the 'police' do not have any control over when these variable limits are set - thats down the Highways England, so its a bit unfair to say that the police set them low to make money etc etc - the police do however 'decide' when to actually process the offences from the HADECS cameras - not all but some do also enforce the national speed limit, ie no 60,50 or 40 roundels illuminated, and as pointed out these are usually set at the 10% +/- 2mph limit, in reality often the NSL is set a lot higher due to the numbers involved.
As far as the ££ go - for every £100 or £120 that a course costs the local police and crime commissioners office get the surplus. Every camera enforcement unit is 'self funding' ie the 'income' from fines covers the staff salary, pension, vans, postage of the letters etc etc - and any excess goes straight to the OPCC ( note that, its not the same as police force concerned ) - plus that ecess cash cannot be used to fund more cameras or pay for more enforcement - thats against the Bill of Rights from 1668 - but can be used to fund other crime initatives ( like the 'lives not knives' programme in schools at the moment). For every £100 the OPCC/police get about £22.
31st Jul 2019 8:52 pm
astonbuilder
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Who’s mentioned the police taking the cash?
31st Jul 2019 9:24 pm
galwaygreen
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simples..dont speed
31st Jul 2019 10:35 pm
lad
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These cameras can monitor 3-4 lanes of a motorway at once and can detect speeders in any lane at anytime.
31st Jul 2019 11:54 pm
gje
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Quote:
Who’s mentioned the police taking the cash?
Nobody did but I thought it might interest some. Sorry..
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