ZOOK
Member Since: 02 Aug 2007
Location: Antwerp
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Hi all,
I found information on several website on adding hydrogen to the engine air intake to improve fuel buring. Reslult: better mpg, cleaner combustion. All needed is a small hydrogen generator (that could fit under the bonnet). this should work on gasoline engines, modern ones too, but no idea if common rail could cope with this.
e.g.
http://www.savefuel.ca/hydrogen/hydrogengen.php?id=hydrogengen
Any of you have looked at this?
Koos[/b]
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 18th Jan 2009 6:42 pm |
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DiscoDunc
Member Since: 08 May 2006
Location: Bristol
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I have bought one of these. Cost £180 from Canada. However, the Hyfrogen Generation container is quite large and as yet i havnt been able to find a suitable place to mount it. it wont fit in the engine bay. i took off the front bumper thinking i could put it in there but i could find a way o securing it properly and was reluctant to do so given the hassle to get to it if i needed to maintain it in any way.
if you can find a good place to mount it the installation is simple. but note that the container needs to be filled up approx every 200-300 miles so it needs to be easily accessable to monitor the fluid levels
I was put onto it by my local LR dealer. he said a customer with a 2.5D Range Rover fitted one and was getting nearly 40 Mpg. Duncan
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| 18th Jan 2009 9:02 pm |
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phurley
Member Since: 19 Aug 2007
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DiscoDunc, do you think that the HG unit would fit where the FBH is? I ask because most V8s don't have the FBH so plenty of space there.
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| 18th Jan 2009 9:14 pm |
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DiscoDunc
Member Since: 08 May 2006
Location: Bristol
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yes it would, i think
the canister is 12.5cm diameter x 26cm high. this has a filler plug and +ve and -ve terminals. frm the canister a pipe runs to a smaller "bubbler" and from there into the airfilter box (the clean side of the filter). there is also an ammeter to ensure the correct mix of chemical and water is in the canister. They come in different sizes but the one i got was the best before they got commercial. and the smaller ones were just too small. ie filling the cannister every 100 miles  no good for me as most of my daily journeys are 200miles +
i got this one http://www.savefuel.ca/hydrogen/smallproducts.php?id=carproducts the AL-30
ideally you need to be able to see the side of the canister so you can assess how much liquid is in it and how much to top up. Duncan
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| 18th Jan 2009 9:30 pm |
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caverD3
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My understanding was that these don't work?  “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
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| 18th Jan 2009 10:15 pm |
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DiscoDunc
Member Since: 08 May 2006
Location: Bristol
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My understanding is they do 
I figured if it worked it could save me a lot of money and if it didnt i had only lost £180 ....
If i can find a suitable place to mount it i can test it and report back  Duncan
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| 19th Jan 2009 6:53 pm |
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cmyers_uk
Member Since: 10 Apr 2005
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Obviously the Government will put you into a lower tax bracket now your Green. Hope you find a place for it soon would be very interested if it works.
Cheers
Chris
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| 19th Jan 2009 7:29 pm |
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pom
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would it fit where the second battery goes ?
May try one of the freelander for testing purposes )
Pom
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| 19th Jan 2009 7:37 pm |
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resurrect past discussions / arguments / rows & worse this is just another form of water / steam injection
dependent on who you wish to believe it can be made to work....the results will depend on a lot of factors including the rH (relative humidity) barometric pressure & the rate of the engine (depends on what the duty cycle is) motorway or local "stop / start driving. BREXIT - done properly.
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| 19th Jan 2009 7:38 pm |
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DiscoDunc
Member Since: 08 May 2006
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Of course , just like normal fuel consumption will depend on how you drive it. mway, town, flat out etc
the test will be whether the average fuel consumption reduces. Given I travel about 900 miles per week it should be a good test, if only i could find a secure and spacious place to locate it. The battery box space isnt deep enough Duncan
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| 19th Jan 2009 10:46 pm |
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simonsi
Member Since: 14 Oct 2007
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Be careful, hydrogen is a tad dangerous (Hindenburg anyone), of course if its just water injection then no worries.
Does it really split the water molecule in a D3 (or any other car), without an onboard Fusion reactor??? Cheers
Simon
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| 19th Jan 2009 11:24 pm |
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simonsi
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I'm sure it is, but I recalled (I thought) from schoolboy chemistry that a huge amount of power was required to release a useful amount of hydrogen.....?? That wouldn't prevent this device producing some hydrogen and being factually correct in what it does. I'd be very wary of introducing hydrogen into the inlet tract though, any backfire and boom! Cheers
Simon
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| 20th Jan 2009 2:16 pm |
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LR3GuyJoe
Member Since: 02 Dec 2008
Location: Space Coast Florida
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simonsi wrote:I'm sure it is, but I recalled (I thought) from schoolboy chemistry that a huge amount of power was required to release a useful amount of hydrogen.....?? That wouldn't prevent this device producing some hydrogen and being factually correct in what it does. I'd be very wary of introducing hydrogen into the inlet tract though, any backfire and boom!
I'm in agreement with you mate. You dont get anything for free....
These units use electrolysis to split the hydrogen and oxygen molecules. Which requires electricity. You get this electricity from your battery/charging system. The charging system is run by your engine and so and so on.... So basically your alternator has to do more work which induces a larger load on the engine. And because of heat loss and other factors (complicated math) you put more work into the system than get out.
Now if you were getting the energy from batteries that are charged by solar power then yeah....
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| 20th Jan 2009 2:44 pm |
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DiscoDunc
Member Since: 08 May 2006
Location: Bristol
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but dont you think that if the fuel consumption improves the net result is a saving Duncan
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| 20th Jan 2009 2:55 pm |
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