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20th Sep 2006 11:09 am
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JMC wrote:
There is no hypocracy there as I'm still in my thirties
JMC wrote:
Can you offer some hypnotherapy for SWMBO. I have been trying to get her to say those magic words to me for 20 years
Let me guess, U were a toy boy when you were young????
20th Sep 2006 11:17 am
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Reading most of the posts on this thread I see that most people believe that we are living in the UK air bubble like the politicians then !
Why are we even contemplating what is 'acceptable taxation' for us and the 'environment' when, for example, 120 million Chinamen will be readily wiping out ANY contribution we have made to reduce emmisions without anywhere near the tax penalties that are proposed for the UK...
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20th Sep 2006 11:31 am
dgrr
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Re: Inevitable tax increase
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Can you offer some hypnotherapy for SWMBO. I have been trying to get her to say those magic words to me for 20 years [/quote]
I think you'll still be trying for another 20 years ... I, too, would love to get my SWMBO "to pay for usage only" 8) 8) But it seems I keep getting hit for an on-going retainer, plus hourly charge... & that's always rounded up!
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If not, is there any chance that you are female, cute & single...... :roll[/quote]
see above answer for clarification. If still not clear, see a doctor DGRR
20th Sep 2006 11:51 am
KrZ
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I believe this tax rise is a very cleaver one, hence all major parties are following this trend. And I certainly don't believe the increase in tax will reduce overall LR sales in UK. In fact, I believe it will elevate LR's prestige’s image.
Large 4x4 are expensive beasts, which to some extent, elevates ones social standing, the more tax government put on these cars will only encourage more to try to get to that elevated status, hence the demand will not be affected. (good example will be the skoda, skoda today are good cars, but they just don't take off in sales because.. errr, its a skoda).
It has been demonstrated by most media that most people buy 4x4’s in city believes 4x4’s are safer vehicles to be in, well, it is true because they are just a lot heavier then other cars. School runs using large 4x4s has two functions: 1. to pickup kids in a safer environment. 2. to establish a social standing amongst the parents. 3. to present owner with more choices such as being able to go off-road if required. Without debating whether demonstrating ones social standing is right or wrong, this behaviour exists and for that reason, it will boost ones image further if more tax is added.
Large 4x4 such as RR and Disco3 has its place in City as much as at the countryside, because it is no longer just a functional offroader, to many, it became a status symbol of ones social standing. Major political parties know it, and they know people will not flog out and sell their vehicles; most people will just pay up and hence get more tax money.
Political parties today focus mainly on how to get more tax money and at the same time brain wash enough people to get them elected, they no longer focus on the welfare of the country as a whole. Country such as USA, China don’t sign up to Kyoto agreement, fair play to China for grabbing on “developing country†status to opt out of such agreement, but USA, the largest polluter demonstrated that they will not jeopardise their country’s ambition by signing up such agreement. Tax the rich and give to the poor is a very popular method to gain support and power, Chairman Mao used this approach well and got him get to the political centre stage, and then maintained the status by hitting the rich and give to the poor whilst the country itself is in tumour. People may ask how China is waking up and is fast becoming a super power, the lesson here is to loose the burden of the wellfare system and encourage the super rich. This is a key contrast between UK and China, here we tax more to try to sustain the wellfare system which only encourages less educated chavs to bread more chavs thus putting more drain on the country’s resource as a whole in order to cough up more tax money. To that note, the so called green tax is another step towards the dark age of Britain where politicians fail to address the root of the problem and penalize the hard working.
Let me guess, U were a toy boy when you were young????
Lets just say that I have been protesting that I'm in my thirties quite a lot in the past few months (and will be for another few...... 8) )
20th Sep 2006 12:28 pm
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Ah, the big four-oh is looming!!! I remember it well, it's after that it all heads downhill fast! Then it's hats & reading glasses for Christmas.
20th Sep 2006 12:34 pm
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Not necessarily! I discovered the D3 when I was 40!Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
20th Sep 2006 12:39 pm
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If you are like me, the manual is getting harder to read unless you stand under the light & hold it at arms length. Still D3 does help make up for it. Would I swap 43 for 23??? No way, was running an old banger at 23 wondering where the next fiver (and girl) was coming from!
20th Sep 2006 12:43 pm
LT
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What does/has congestion charging done to do help the environment? Iirc, the cost of administration & equipment eats up all the revenue raised.
In London, the revenue raised was going to be ploughed into improving public transport. I don't think this has happened & in reality it's just another tax.
I'm also not convinced that the air quality has improved in London as a result of congestion charging, but I stand to be corrected.
20th Sep 2006 1:40 pm
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Just smells of LPG now Would also love to know were my £840,000.00 PA goes as well
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20th Sep 2006 1:43 pm
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LT wrote:
What does/has congestion charging done to do help the environment?
Made a good few people richer (i.e. helped their wealth environment) in the IT sector & paid for nice a plush office block in London (helped their office environment). Agreed, it's just another tax to screw you with!
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20th Sep 2006 1:44 pm
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Ken2463 wrote:
Just smells of LPG now
No Ken ...thats your farty smell 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
20th Sep 2006 1:44 pm
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dickgriff wrote:
Ken2463 wrote:
Just smells of LPG now
No Ken ...thats your farty smell
Was that what was floating over Brunsfield last year???
20th Sep 2006 1:45 pm
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No ...it was much worse than that 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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... I, too, would love to get my SWMBO "to pay for usage only" 8) 8) But it seems I keep getting hit for an on-going retainer, plus hourly charge... & that's always rounded up! 
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Would also love to know were my £840,000.00 PA goes as well
