Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
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Red Merle wrote:Swiss-LR wrote:Just ordered mine too ...
Mercedes G-Class
16" Rims (265/70 R16)
Distance Pilot
Fuel fired heater (a real one, not that joke, I have in my current D4)
Black leather interior
3 difflocks
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My personal point of no return was reached, when the dimensions of the D5 boot where published.
If I want a car with a boot height of about 90 cm and 2x" rims, I will go for an estate, not for an offroad vehicle with limited offroad capabilities. And yes, a car with 21" rims has very limited offroad capabilities.
I bit the bullet with the D4 and accepted, that LR wasn't willing to change the brakes before the change to a new model. But with the D5 still need at least 19" rims it's clear (at least from my point of view), that they offer a cool onroad family transporter with the aura of a formerly offroad adventure brand. It would have been easy to shrink the diameter of the discbrakes, as a lot of former offroad customers asked for it.
The current G-class offers a smooth ride, 118 cm boot height and in Switzerland, I can get black 16" rims with AT-tyres as an option.
The management of LR decided to go their (Evoque-)way and I made my decision to go another. LR had the possibility to develop an icon but preferred to morph the classical D3/D4 shape into a streamlined something.
I will enjoy the last months in my D4 and am really looking forward for the G-Class and my rerun of the Piste de Seigneurs in 2017 on 16" rims.
Sorry to lose you of course, but I completely get it.
If your paying this much money, you either want hardy and ultra practical, which Land Rover have moved away from or, if you're prepared to compromise on everything that the D4 was really good it, then there are so many great alternatives from the mainstream manufacturers that LR is now walking amongst.
So a G Wagen starts at £87.6K up to £148K, that's a lot to get 16" rims. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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Alternatively, do you have to pay the price of a new Disco to get a set of 22" comedy rims?
If that's a major consideration, I would imagine that could be done for maybe £10,000 less than the price of an entry level Disco. 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 5th Oct 2016 2:21 pm |
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Swiss-LR
Member Since: 08 Jan 2013
Location: In the middle
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Mine costs less than £ 90k (converted from CHF in £, because prices don't seem to be comparable and there aren't much options available for the G in UK) which is ok for me (list price is around £100k).
The list price of my D4 was only CHF 10k less and a comparable D5 would have been in the same price range.
Our dog loves his transk9 B28 and that fits nicely in the G so everyone is happy 
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| 5th Oct 2016 2:25 pm |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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No, because you don't have to tick the option box  23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 5th Oct 2016 2:25 pm |
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blue meanie
D3 Decade
Member Since: 04 Aug 2005
Location: Newbury
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adam wrote:I ordered a D3 SE in December 2004 - for those of us who owned a D2 at that time - would be interesting to know what the price hike was on what was then a 100% different vehicle?
Differential between D3 / D4 when I switched was not great (though I was lucky enough to move from an SE to an HSE)
Our 2002 D2 ES manual with just cruise and metallic optioned was about £33k list ISTR
Our 2005 D3 SE manual with a larger handful of options was about £41k list (from memory)
 and theeeeennn......???
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| 5th Oct 2016 3:28 pm |
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cpt_splash
Member Since: 02 Oct 2012
Location: Berkshire
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The D5 First Edition has pretty much every option you would want, at £68k list. How did you get £27k of options? Did you literally click every box?
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| 5th Oct 2016 7:51 pm |
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euangibson
Member Since: 24 Dec 2010
Location: Borders
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Pretty much,I missed a few though....it was an exercise in excess....
It was all possible and plausible though,and certain options naturally deleted others....the possibility of a £100k Discovery is a reality "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool,than to speak out and remove all doubt" ?.....what rubbish...
Locking rear E-diff
RLD spare wheel protector & sump guard
Extended roof rails
Series 111 mudflaps
Black side tubes,grill and vents
Timed climate remote
Hids4u interior lights
D4 Firenze my2012 HSE
D3 Java 2005 SE manual (sold,sadly,thanks for the memories)
1966 '88 Series 2a....still starts in the morning better than I do...
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| 5th Oct 2016 8:30 pm |
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RDR
Member Since: 24 Mar 2013
Location: Derbyshire
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It is a truly amazing array of options even for the HSE Lux. I ticked pretty much all the factory options for my current D4 and i think the RRP of them only came to about 6k the D5 lux can have another 30k of options added  MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
MY12 HSE - Gone
MY16 HSE Luxury - Sold
MY20 D5 HSE - Sold
Current RR L460 PHEV
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| 5th Oct 2016 8:52 pm |
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cpt_splash
Member Since: 02 Oct 2012
Location: Berkshire
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I just had a go on the Volvo website for the XC90, and got to £84k quite easily..
The range of options on modern cars is such much bigger than even 5 years ago.
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| 5th Oct 2016 9:18 pm |
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pbhawkin
Member Since: 14 Dec 2006
Location: Mudgee
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Here in Australia where the roads in the outback are often rocky or on the soft sands you need both good side wall strength (which ONLY 18" and below offer. ASK me how I know that 20" tyres don't work on roads around Alice Springs!) as well as ability to deflate them to 10-12psi in order to get a good bulge in the side walls to allow the tyres to 'float' on soft sand (again ASK me how well 20" tyres do!).
Perhaps two separate brakes on each disc would allow them to be smaller than the current ones but still retain equal stopping force and would allow the fitting of smaller rims?
As the 'S' level gets 19" rims will they be able to be fitted to the SE and above models or do these models have the bigger brake callipers? regards
Peter
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Oct 2013 SDV6 3.0 HSE.
2007 TDV6 SE E-diff, adaptive lights sold 1/2014
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| 5th Oct 2016 10:12 pm |
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Swiss-LR
Member Since: 08 Jan 2013
Location: In the middle
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Hi Peter
I believe that the disc diameter could be reduced without reducing brakepower and it's a question of will not of physical limitations.
The G-Class has massive discs with a smaller diameter, is a car with proven tow ability and fits 16" rims.
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| 6th Oct 2016 7:10 am |
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swansty
Member Since: 21 Sep 2008
Location: Northern Ireland
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Massive discs with a smaller diameter? How does that work?
Im not sure a G-Class and a Discovery are really comparable to be fair. If one suits your needs better than the other then go for it but I doubt many people will be facing that dilemma. No car is all things to all people hence the diverse range of models and manufacturers.
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| 6th Oct 2016 7:20 am |
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Swiss-LR
Member Since: 08 Jan 2013
Location: In the middle
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It works and you won't finde many G-owners complaining about the brakes.
Why shouldn't the Disco 4 and the G-class be comparable in terms of the brake design?
Disco 4 SDV6: Vmax 180 km/h
G-Class 350d: Vmax 190 km/h
Similar weight, same towing capacity, ...
What facts do you see, why they shouldn't be comparable?
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| 6th Oct 2016 7:27 am |
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swansty
Member Since: 21 Sep 2008
Location: Northern Ireland
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In general I wouldn't be comparing the two. In the U.K. they start at 87k. Ok is seems a disco can now be specced to that sort of money but to be fair it would take extreme and possibly pointless
opttioneerring to do so. The on road refinement in a disco will be massively ahead of a g class. If you want to do extreme off-roading then I can see the appeal. But for an everyday capable car, I don't think a g class will get close to disco.
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| 6th Oct 2016 9:17 am |
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Swiss-LR
Member Since: 08 Jan 2013
Location: In the middle
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I suppose, this is your personal guess, isn't it?
I drive about km 50'000 per year and tested the 2016 G-class intensely. The onroad comfort is comparable to the D4.
- a little less sensitive on short bumps (19" rims Disco vs. 18" rims G)
- more noise caused by airflow (much louder above km/h 160)
- seats superior over the although good D4 (Premium) seats
- better and sensitive climate control
This is my personal opinion, based on +150'000 km Disco 4 in the last 3 years and 4 days G-class (MY 2016) intensive testing.
So yes, I think, the two are comparable.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to promote the G-class but I want to explain my decision and the way I came to it for the other disco3 colleagues and try to deliver as many facts and direct impressions.
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| 6th Oct 2016 9:40 am |
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