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Ok, this discussion is missing one serious thing, a pic of said pup. No pic = a totally hypothetical discussion as pup obviously isn’t real/has chewed up the camera (other photographic devices are available)/is camera shy, delete as appropriate.
3rd Dec 2019 3:35 am
Gorilla63
Member Since: 18 May 2019
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Pelyma wrote:
Gorilla63 wrote:
Pelyma wrote:
I’d rather have a stressed dog than a dead dog. I’ve heard of too many dogs escaping from crashed cars and run over. A cage contains the dog in a protected space and gives you somewhere to put the dog out of harms way. A decent cage like TransK9 or Lintran have good resell values and TransK9 do good half boot cages too. You’ve just spent a grand or so on a puppy, it’s going to cost many thousands more over it’s lifetime, protect and give it the safety it deserves.
Each to their own. Do what you feel is best, but in a crash your dog is no better off in a box - and if you're buying it for resale value, that just doesn't make sense. I've always felt better with my dogs in a rear section of the vehicle which was decked out specifically for them, they also were far more relaxed - they were comfortable and it was a home away from home on extended trips. Dogs also get used to being in crates, but I've never liked them for travel.
At the end of the day, it makes no difference, all that matters is your peace of mind and the dogs stress free space. Do what you feel is right, there's not really a right answer.
Of course it makes a difference in a crash, frightened dogs get out of crashed cars and die. My dogs suffer no stress in cages as they are used to it from being a puppy. Resale value does matter as people change cars. My dogs travel all over the country on a regular basis and many friends travel theirs all over Europe all in cages. The police use cages for their dogs and in fact I can’t think of any professional user beyond sheep dogs that don’t travel long distances that don’t use cages - all for no benefit it would seem.
If that works for you, then its the right thing for you to do. Everyone is happy. Like i said, what works for you may not be the solution for someone else, and it doesn't make it gospel - crating a dog has its benefits, but its not for everyone - personally, I would never crate my dogs in vehicles - others do, there is no "right way". Find a solution and do what suits your situation. This is, i assume what discussion on a forum such as this, is all about?
3rd Dec 2019 4:14 am
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DSL i agree with you I thought the rule was 'No Picture It Didn't Happen'
Rooney our Welsh Collie when we picked him up from rescue center I had to carry him about 40 meters to the car that was a close we could get him. Never been a fan of going in a car even ran off when staying at parents caravan because he got stressed knowing car trip coming up. To try putting him in a cage would add to his stress. I have a lead secured to the dog guard which he is clipped to to prevent him jumping out when tailgate open. He has a bed kept in the back. Eva our GSD from a puppy went in the car and if going away was the first thing packed left with tailgate open so worried about being left behind. All dogs and people are different being a puppy should mean trained to whatever you decided & hopefully both benefit dog will want to go with you and enjoy travelling. Welsh Collie Chauffeur Service To Barney & Rooney.
3rd Dec 2019 4:49 am
Brian_DL13
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Pelyma wrote:
Of course it makes a difference in a crash, frightened dogs get out of crashed cars and die. My dogs suffer no stress in cages as they are used to it from being a puppy. Resale value does matter as people change cars. My dogs travel all over the country on a regular basis and many friends travel theirs all over Europe all in cages. The police use cages for their dogs and in fact I can’t think of any professional user beyond sheep dogs that don’t travel long distances that don’t use cages - all for no benefit it would seem.
I know you have a bee in your bonnet about this Paul, but personally I'd rather take the (very small) risk of that happening than have the other risk of them being trapped in a cage when the vehicle goes on fire. And my dogs are both much happier not being in a cage. Each to their own.
My Flatcoat retrievers have all had a cage at home & a TransK9 cage in the car.
I wouldn't take a dog of mine in the car other than in a cage.
Until a dog is 18-24 months old every time we go for a walk we drive there. even if it starts 100 yards from home, so that the car trip ends in fun.
For the first 12-16 weeks of life I feed my puppies one meal a day in the cage in the car.
I've never had car sickness as a problem, save for once when collecting an 8 week old puppy from his breeder. He was over this within a week of getting home.
As has been said Each to their own - enjoy travelling safely with your dog.
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3rd Dec 2019 9:46 am
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Our old Chocolate Lab hated being in the car and no box, guard, cushions, treats or anything else would resolve it, in the end he had to stay at home and we had babysitters for him Must stop buying shiny toys....
3rd Dec 2019 9:58 am
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
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Brian_DL13 wrote:
Pelyma wrote:
Of course it makes a difference in a crash, frightened dogs get out of crashed cars and die. My dogs suffer no stress in cages as they are used to it from being a puppy. Resale value does matter as people change cars. My dogs travel all over the country on a regular basis and many friends travel theirs all over Europe all in cages. The police use cages for their dogs and in fact I can’t think of any professional user beyond sheep dogs that don’t travel long distances that don’t use cages - all for no benefit it would seem.
I know you have a bee in your bonnet about this Paul, but personally I'd rather take the (very small) risk of that happening than have the other risk of them being trapped in a cage when the vehicle goes on fire. And my dogs are both much happier not being in a cage. Each to their own.
You’re right I do as I’ve known of the consequences. I’m old enough to remember seat belts being non compulsory and not even fitted in the rear seats. Mums used to hold their babies when travelling and kids were not strapped in able to roam. The arguments about making seatbelts compulsory wrangled on, they would stop you getting out in a fire was a common one, they cause injuries. Who now wouldn’t strap a kid into a seat if it was non compulsory? Who thinks seat belts cause injuries? Who thinks it is a bad law? My dogs and 10s of thousands of others travel all over the country and continent in cages not stressed, safe and secure just like the Police do and so on. This person has asked for advice on a young puppy travelling, it should be in a cage.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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