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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
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Jud West,
So the LR3 is not better kitted out material wise and build quality wise than all the  that the american's build 
You have to be kidding.
We don't melt down plastic wheely bins and call them interiors. OK its not a Range Rover... NOT supposed to be 
And as for the handling... the D2 even with ACE was always waiting to throw you into a hedge if you took your eye off the road for a second... the D3 rides better than everything short of a FFRR.
If you want sports seats by a non off road SUV / UTE / TRUCK whatever called a Cayenne (Pepper Pig) or a Toerag. LR don't do sports (yeah I know... its good but not THAT good), they do vehicles fit for purpose, not fit for posing.
TWAT
OH and 25K of our English pounds (55K of your American Peso's) buys you a top spec Ford over here. Be grateful you get your LR's cheaper than we can possibly dream off. 
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 4th Sep 2007 10:41 pm |
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jwest
Member Since: 09 Jun 2006
Location: USA
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first, when you address someone, get the name right or don't just pull one out of your bottom.
second, what the hell is your problem?
third, i don't know why you ask about the materials as compared to other american cars. i have never owned an american car. the range rover was what is ought to be, marginally for the price but fine enough for what it is.
fourth, screw you on the posing comment. i just drove 3000 miles and have beat the crap out of my previous discos and have spent enough time out in the open in these things to know what the hell a comfortable seat is. the disco 2 was more for "purpose" than this and i liked that aspect a lot better. maybe my D2 had better springs and dampers than yours, I don't know but I always felt very sure in it. I never said anything about the "ride" you are right on that but why did they have to up everything else when so much got better?????
fifth, not sure why you bother talking costs here vs there, many things determine what one can afford and such. 96 Disco I, 210,000 miles - still going strong
04 Disco II, Vienna/Tundra, +2" lift, onboard air, 120V...
07 LR3 HSE
2008 Audi S4 Avant mt6
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| 4th Sep 2007 11:08 pm |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
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jwest 
Grow up a little and climb down off your BIG American Hoss.
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| 4th Sep 2007 11:35 pm |
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mrmarklin
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: People's Republik of Kalifornia
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jwest wrote:the lr3 stinks in many ways. I just drove our 07 bmw 328 wagon for 3 weeks around the US and Ontario only to become spoiled by it's adjustability and better cockpit layout. it has the sport seats which also have side bolster adjusting. the LR3 sucks in my opinion is and really isn't any better than an hse D2 was (i have one, gave it to my mom and wish is just gotten her one and kept mine) the lr3 is "weird" in it's handling whereas the D2 was at least predictable both in steering input as well as throttle response.
I may be putting this 07 LR3 up for sale to whoever fins it comfortable. maybe I'm just not built right for the car but I would get another D2 2004 SE/HSE and have it modified or just go with some diesel like a Tourag or wait for a full size Diesel range rover.
oh, whoever buys rover ought to make the interior worth $55k and have some choices/options in the US!!!
jwest!!!
As a very long time BMW owner myself I love the LR3. There are a lot of options! I ordered them all! 8) What more could I ask? Tacked on about $8K worth of accessories too.  Interior is not real luxurious, but neither is BMW particularly awesome either. German austere.
Remember the LR3 is NOT, I repeat NOT a BMW. My wife has an X3, and it's excellent. Handles real well too!  But when I first drove it off road, I didn't really want to drive it through the muddy deep puddle to another field. Not then. Not now. That's why I love the LR3. No hesitation!!!!!!  
I think you're comparing apples to oranges. BMW for the highways and byways--Land Rover for everything else. At least that's what I do.
BTW, BMW has next to no towing capability, ground clearance etc. BUT that's not why I bought several over the years. '06 LR3 4.4 V8 HSE Heavy Duty package, Satellite Radio, Luxury Package
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| 4th Sep 2007 11:41 pm |
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sideview
Member Since: 02 Dec 2006
Location: in the valley
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If it's not for you JW that's fine, move on to something more suited for you  However, many prefer the LR3/D3 for exactly the same reasons you don't. To each their own. Your tone did come across a bit rude, even if not intentional, that may have contributed to Simon's 'problem'. Sometimes the arrogance of some Americans on this board embarrasses me  I'm not so good at giving advice...may I offer you a sarcastic comment instead?
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| 4th Sep 2007 11:44 pm |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
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And MR. J West... all you have done is diss the D3 since you posted 40 odd times... sell it and move on.
Let us enjoy the D3 fro what it is... a LR not some wanna be like the ones you should have bought.
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| 4th Sep 2007 11:45 pm |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
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SV... American tone does not bother me one jot... my 'problem' is with Mr Negatory West and his problem. Just check all his posts.
Sorry Jud... pulled another name outta my .
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| 4th Sep 2007 11:50 pm |
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jwest
Member Since: 09 Jun 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 114
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I was mainly talking about the feel/comfort in the seat and arm rest areas. otherwise i actually like it a lot. I don't think what I said was rude but plainly my opinion about the design.
Seriously, who is totally comfortable in this thing? The head rest is another annoyance with it's zero adjustment for/aft/angle/height.
I would not have put nearly $20k into parts and labor to set it up for my purposes so what I am more likely to do at this point is find two front seats, most likely 05/06 FFRR LUX package versions that have the upper back angle adjustment as well as 3 area lumbar and head rest angle. Consider if you have long hair, I don't now but my fiance wears hers pulled back when we go hiking/camping, road/trail tripping and the head rest aspect gets a bit bad on the neck after 8 hours.
I honestly was more comfortable in the seat to window sill and right arm rest in the D2. It's probably due to my build, narrow and about 5"-11". In the lr3 I am "reaching" to the left door sill for arm resting/steering touch on long trips. Most none of this matters off road where it's not a 1200 mile drive in one day.
I think Simon was just bored and maybe amused that some American was complaining. I don't think the lr 3 is nearly what it ought to be though.
As for BMW, I only wanted the seats out of it...well, and the IDrive nav/info system rather than the kids toy version of nav in the lr3 that is more or less useless while moving and only 50% as useful as the bmw nav when stopped.
Anyone with leads on seat replacement will be welcomed. 96 Disco I, 210,000 miles - still going strong
04 Disco II, Vienna/Tundra, +2" lift, onboard air, 120V...
07 LR3 HSE
2008 Audi S4 Avant mt6
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| 4th Sep 2007 11:57 pm |
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jwest
Member Since: 09 Jun 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 114
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simon wrote:And MR. J West... all you have done is diss the D3 since you posted 40 odd times... sell it and move on.
Let us enjoy the D3 fro what it is... a LR not some wanna be like the ones you should have bought.
you're being an asshole really. I have had the previous 2 discos, and still use the disco 1. I happily drove it to 200k miles. By saying "wanna be" you suggest the other cars, that I don't and didn't want, want to be rovers. I don't know or care so why do you?
Don't you have something better to do with your time than research my posts? I sure as hell don't care enough to read over any of yours or any others. That's just silly.
Seriously, do you really think this thing is perfect or even done as well as it should have been? I just got 12 mpg coming across the country! We don't get diesel here, we don't get the car options in general that Europe does so YOU be glad with what you have regardless of euro/dollar comparisons. We get the crap here and always have. 96 Disco I, 210,000 miles - still going strong
04 Disco II, Vienna/Tundra, +2" lift, onboard air, 120V...
07 LR3 HSE
2008 Audi S4 Avant mt6
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| 5th Sep 2007 12:05 am |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
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god your a whining prat... I have an S spec... oh feck me... you don't get them there do you, no only the top spec ones...
No problem with the comfort. Drove for two days from the UK to the South of France. And in the CLOTH seats god forbid Head rest is not an issue... I am 6 foot 1. Normal build.
Ask yer girl to let her hair down... you should too maybe and chill out.
I am sorry LR did not custom build the side bolsters and arm rests just for your frame.
You seem to get off on Bimmbers... go buy an X5 with arm rests and custom side bolsters that fit you. Just never try to take it off road... or you'll be moaning again on the bimmber forums about it lack of off road capability.]
God bless you and all that sail in you
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| 5th Sep 2007 12:08 am |
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jwest
Member Since: 09 Jun 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 114
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simon wrote:god your a wining prat... I have an S spec... oh feck me... you don't get them there do you, no only the top spec ones...
No problem with the comfort. Drove for two days from the UK to the South of France. And in the CLOTH seats god forbid Head rest is not an issue... I am 6 foot 1. Normal build.
Ask yer girl to let her hair down... you should too maybe and chill out.
I am sorry LR did not custom build the side bolsters and arm rests just for your frame.
You seem to get off on Bimmbers... go buy an X5 with arm rests and custom side bolsters that fit you. Just never try to take it off road... or you'll be moaning again on the bimmber forums about it lack of off road capability.]
God bless you and all that sail in you
I haven't had wine in days so I'm not sure what you mean or what prat is.
My D1 is an S as well dipshit and I said the BMW seats are the thing, so go feck yourself. If no one asked for something better, we'd all be driving boring crap. 96 Disco I, 210,000 miles - still going strong
04 Disco II, Vienna/Tundra, +2" lift, onboard air, 120V...
07 LR3 HSE
2008 Audi S4 Avant mt6
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| 5th Sep 2007 12:15 am |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
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 class act American ass hole.
Go grab yer full fat triple shot latte double cheesburger and have a coronary.
 good luck.
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| 5th Sep 2007 12:18 am |
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jwest
Member Since: 09 Jun 2006
Location: USA
Posts: 114
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simon wrote: class act American ass hole.
Go grab yer full fat triple shot latte double cheesburger and have a coronary.
good luck.
you must be one insecure nut case considering everything you have said here.
enjoy your forum. i'm done with your type. 96 Disco I, 210,000 miles - still going strong
04 Disco II, Vienna/Tundra, +2" lift, onboard air, 120V...
07 LR3 HSE
2008 Audi S4 Avant mt6
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| 5th Sep 2007 12:25 am |
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sideview
Member Since: 02 Dec 2006
Location: in the valley
Posts: 1663
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OMG that made me laugh so hard!
In all seriousness though, some do find the seats uncomfortable. I'm tiny so nothing truck-sized suits me therefore don't care really, maybe I should try Prius seats Ironically, my friend owns a 97 D1 and loves my LR3 seats, headrest sits just right for him at 6'1".
JW don't know about seat swapping, but have seen some posts on people making their headrest adjustable. Might be worth searching on. I'm not so good at giving advice...may I offer you a sarcastic comment instead?
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| 5th Sep 2007 12:27 am |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
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 SOOO sad your leaving.
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| 5th Sep 2007 12:28 am |
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