Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
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@Irwin. Interesting, but I'm not planning my trip to Portugal through venezuela... Next best is Luxemburg..
These prices are blurring the picture. In the UK diesel prices are higher as in the Netherlands. But you pay around GBP 250 for roadtax on a D3/D4 , while I pay € 3150,- per year... , around USD3000 difference.
I do less as 10.000km pa in the Netherlands. With a difference in roadtax of USD 3000 this is USD 0.30 per kilometer. At 10km/L running costs translate into a liter price of USD 1,32 , but USD 4,32 , almost 250% of the most expensive diesel in the world...
11th Mar 2017 12:45 am
Irwin
Member Since: 04 Aug 2015
Location: Internet
Posts: 270
Wow, €3150. They are really pushing for all electric cars in Netherlands. I thought it was bad here. In Ireland it is €1400 road tax for the D3. Almost the same in diesel price.
11th Mar 2017 1:45 am
Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
Posts: 1213
Pushing for electric cars ? Nope : just robbing us blind ! They had a tax-incentive for hybrid and fullelectric, untill last year. For company cars only ofcourse : they do not hand out favours to the plebs !
----------------------------------- Sideline : strong vote for Wilders -------------------------------
Unless you are a fugitive ofcourse. Then you get a rental home and a € 15.000,- cheque to buy furniture at IKEA. The waiting list for social renting houses is now off the scale, beyond the avarage life expectancy. So they deleted waiting lists all together to obscure this. House prices are through the roof in the urban area. Around Amsterdam prices went up 30% in almost two years. Its becoming a second London. Renting a silly 20m² room as a student costs around € 700 -€ 950 anywhere in the Randstad, unless you sleep in a crackhouse.
So this is one of the reasons for Wilders to be popular : admitting more fugitives would make our own children homeless, or living with the parents for eternity. Nothing to do with racism or islamofobia.
-------------------------------------- end of sideline --------------------
If you drive a company car here, a percentage of the value is added to your taxable income. So a new D4 taxed would be around € 100.000,- [ it doesn't stop with roadtax..]. Then € 22.000,- was added on your income. For roughly € 1000,- extra tax you would drive a D4 all-in [ reals expenses paid by your employer ofcourse].
Now for a hybrid this was 7% untill 2016, and full electric 0%... So all company car drivers switched to Mits PHEV's and Volvo's etc. You still wonder why Tesla has a factory here and why most Fiskers were sold in the Netherlands ? Not because we are all millionaires !
Government realised this was costing them, so now you pay 14% for any car and 7% for full electric. Some dealers put hybrids on license last year in a hurry, as they can now lease them for the 7% for the next five years, instead of thepresent 14% rate. Other cars are still 22%.
Now all these lame cars [ mutulated so they would cough less then 129,00 CO2 for example] are rotting at the stealers. Hybrids are exported to eg Austria, where you can get a subsidie also for second hand hybrids it seems. This because private owners had NONE benefit from driving a hybrid, exept for a discount on the roadtax rate of 150Kg for the batteries [ otherwise you would end up in an even higher roadtax brackett..].
Do not tell these giggs to your politicians, they might copy them...
And remember : the average guy like me, not driving a company car can pay all these taxes directly. That's why only 30% of new cars are bought by private owners and they represent 95% of the cheapest 40% of cars sold....
There is a loophole : used cars. If you check adds for low milage cars you see many with dealers at 1500-5000km on the clock. So they are not 'new'. These reduces the taxes on them with 5-15%....
Another gigg is buying a recent model from Germany, say 2 years old. You still have a full year factory guarantee, and if you import it you get license plates like its new. But you do pay 30% less registration tax....
Second reason for Wilders to be popular : we want out of the EU. He is our only ticket out !
We are the largest net contributor to the EU, with only 17 million inhabitants.
Member Since: 08 Jan 2011
Location: Chilterns
Posts: 4130
Free fuel in Venezuela? (What about the cost of refining etc?)
11th Mar 2017 11:40 am
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
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That's just Caracas.
Getting my coat.
11th Mar 2017 12:31 pm
Gazellio
Member Since: 08 Jan 2011
Location: Chilterns
Posts: 4130
Quote:
“With a 7-Bolivar bottle of mineral water you can buy 72 litres of petrol, with what you pay for a newspaper you can buy 100 litres of fuel and for a can of soft drink you can get 250 litres of diesel. This doesn’t make sense at all.”
Less than 30p to fill a Discovery tank....
11th Mar 2017 4:05 pm
integrale
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