Member Since: 03 Jan 2006
Location: Romiley
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I remember the uproar when the MY09 D3 was launched with its colour coded wheel arches and bumpers
Hardly surprising the probable look of the D5 is causing such ructions...Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
17th Dec 2015 12:22 pm
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
And that was nothing on the uproar for the D3 itself DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
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17th Dec 2015 1:53 pm
Alex08
Member Since: 09 Nov 2006
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 1600
Do you think there is actually going to be a new Defender?
If I was running a brand, I wouldn't be stopping production of the old model and having nothing to replace it with for a few years - that puts the purchaser off to the opposition and they might never come back again. Certainly I wouldn't be prioritising other models that could have waited another year or two (disco Sport) until I had my Defender replacement launched.
There are three families - 3 in the RR, now 2 in the Discovery and .....oh NONE in the Defender. Maybe going forward there are actually only two families and PR would not allow LR to tell us this.
Maybe this is just a jaundiced view, but we should be seeing something more positive than the concepts by now if there was really going to be a replacement. We are seeing D5 drawings/mules and that is for a launch a year away. Are LR really going to leave the Defender brand for 2+ years and then expect customers to return?
Just a thought....
17th Dec 2015 2:05 pm
Brian_DL13
Member Since: 25 Aug 2013
Location: Teesdale
Posts: 1418
When you look at the numbers being sold, the Defender is way down at the bottom of the JLR list and hence not that important to them.
There will be a "Defender replacement" of sorts; I am 100% certain. LR won't just throw out the market, and it's an extremely popular vehicle (in culture, if not sales). It may prove to be more like a "D3 replacement", but there will be one. Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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17th Dec 2015 2:33 pm
fisherman
Member Since: 16 Jan 2007
Location: Hornchurch Essex
Posts: 1789
My Mrs didn't like the D3 when it came out as she thought it was a bit tonka toy. I wasn't sure but once I'd pulled one about at the dealers I was sold on it. I got used to it's looks almost immediately. I think the same will be the case with the D5. I can't see LR making it any less of a car than what exists now.FFRR 2017 4.4SDV8 Autobiography. Cost so much I must be mad!
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17th Dec 2015 2:39 pm
Robse
Member Since: 10 Jun 2014
Location: Cambridgeshire
Posts: 498
I totally agree. If it changes too much surely it will tread on the toes of the Range RoverVelar MY18 D180 S Narvik
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17th Dec 2015 2:56 pm
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6270
Land Rover need to shift 70,000 new Defenders a year to make it worth their while. I'm not sure where I seen it, but it was someone from LR.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
The thing to remember is the new "Defender" will not be the same as the old one. If they get it right, and price it correctly, there's no reason it shouldn't be a big seller. Applying the Land Rover/Defender brand to such a vehicle is a great opportunity for LR to take advantage of, hopefully, without some/many/all of the drawbacks of the current Defender.
What's really needed at the utility end is something to compete with the cheap Japanese vehicles that many are turning to - a reduction in price would be a game changer for LR in the utility market. I hope, however, LR do not produce a poor quality vehicle, or worse still, get greedy and charge a premium price for it...Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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17th Dec 2015 3:57 pm
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13541
Perhaps "Defender" will become the new Disco Commercial. A stripped out, hose-out Disco 5 would be an interesting prospect. But it will still be expensive when compared to competitors' "working vehicles".
Decent (heated) seats, air suspension, air con and a reasonable stereo and I'd seriously consider a "working D5" version.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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17th Dec 2015 4:11 pm
Darbs
Member Since: 29 Dec 2010
Location: Nr Pershore, Worcs
Posts: 102
Am I in a minority of 1 if I think it looks great?
21st Dec 2015 4:22 pm
lespes
Member Since: 17 Sep 2009
Location: Sitting Down
Posts: 2232
Remember the first view of the D3 (in silver) , looked like a van, ugly, so much so bought an RRS.
However it was a design leader in space and practicality, won many awards for such.
Lets hope the function over form is retained in the next model Discovery for which it has built its reputation and loyal followers on and makes it unique within the car world.
Plenty of other models for the Hairdresser brigade D4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
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Freelander 2 SD HSE MY11 Silver:Thankfully gone.
D4 HSE MY11 Silver: Gone missed !
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Discovery D2 TD5 Facelift MY Red Gone Missed!
Discovery D2 TD5 Cobalt Blue: Gone Missed!
Discovery D1 Auto Oxford Blue Not missed at all!
Discovery D1 Avalon Blue First LR! missed!
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21st Dec 2015 5:05 pm
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6270
Darbs wrote:
Am I in a minority of 1 if I think it looks great?
I don't dislike it, I just won't be able to afford it.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
21st Dec 2015 6:42 pm
tayaste
Member Since: 15 May 2013
Location: Chester
Posts: 7633
For what it is, I would say I dislike it "Paul Daniels style", but as a Discovery, I have to be more critical of it's suitability also, and once this is accounted for I really don't like it, but more importantly, have founded doubts about it's practicality.
(Obviously, all this is going only on current information, but some factors, like that it will be lighter, we can already be certain of.)Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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