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Mountains or Loire Valley...
Just saying but its 6h 54m to Geneva on easy motorway all the way with no A Roads but Loire Valley about 5.5 hours and not a straightforward route...
From Geneva you can be in La Clusaz resort in the mountains in 35 minutes or...
Lake Annecy in 7 hours total
Chamonix in 7h 37m
Morzine/Le Gets in 7h 41m
So if you want Mountains....
Geneva
Annecy
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Chamonix
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Les Gets
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Explore - its waiting for you
12th May 2017 2:22 pm
mz mini
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Location: Sunny Devon
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Yep dead right Gaz off next Friday to France 2 weeks in the 911 can't wait stunning simply stunning Land Rover 90 - deceased
Discovery 3 - deceased
Discovery 4 2013
Mini Cooper S 1964 Mk1 - International Rally winner red & white
Mini Cooper s 1964 Mk1 - Road Rally champion green & white
Mini Cooper S 1971 Mk3 - original and unrestored
Porsche 911 997
Porsche Boxster 3.4S
VW Polo 1.2
Citroen Xsara Picasso - shed/run around
12th May 2017 3:04 pm
Dan_NL
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@Gazellio. Are you aware of the new French environmental zones ? You MUST have a window sticker if you enter the zones, even if there is NO limitation...
You can only see if you are allowed into the zone the previous evening from 20h onwards... ..depending on the sticker you carry..
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12th May 2017 3:40 pm
Gazellio
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Yes was aware but I was recommending motorway route to French Mountain villages/towns not the big cities...
We go every year in 4.5t Motorhome to France/Germany/Austria/Italy never have a problem as we have no intention of driving into (or through) the Centre of big cities.
Mr G, I am not sure of your age but do you remember "The Champions" with the beautiful Alexandra Bastedo ? The 1st pic in your montage reminded me of the program The happiest of people don't necessarily have the best of everything;
They just make the best of everything they have.
12th May 2017 5:23 pm
Gazellio
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Ha ha, nice one. A trip down memory lane. I never thought a woman in a two-piece could look so good The happiest of people don't necessarily have the best of everything;
They just make the best of everything they have.
12th May 2017 5:39 pm
Gazellio
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Dan_NL wrote:
@Gazellio. Its not just big cities now. The area -valley- around Grenoble and the 'route' to the french alps now also has a restriction !
Really what part of the Motorway to French Alps (Calais to Chamonix) is restricted then?
I will answer myself it ONLY the tunnel itself (Past Chamonix) and ONLY relevant to HGV and then only in high pollution events Euro 3 is banned.
Dates and Standards - city
Minimum standard: Euro 3
In high pollution events Euro 3 is banned.
Vehicles affected - city
Heavy Goods Vehicles (HGV)
What is the LEZ boundary - City
Through the Mont Blanc tunnel.
LEZ Road sign - City
Not relevant
Need to Register? - city
Pay on entry.
Foreign Vehicles? - city
Yes, are affected.
Retrofitting allowed? - city
Yes
Retrofitting Summary - Country
Retrofitting a certified diesel particulate trap allows entry to the LEZ. For more information see our retrofitting section.
Hours of operation - city
Permenant
Enforcement - city
Manual with toll booth.
Penalty - city
Not relevant, as entry or cost of tunnel is dependent emissions standard at the tunnel entry.
National Scheme - Country
There is currently no Italian national scheme, but regional as well as individual city schemes.
Exemptions:
None
Local name for an LEZ - city
none.
Further Information - city
Mont Blanc tunnel
Mont Blanc air pollution scheme
City website
N/A
THIS SORT OF WARNING/POST PUTS PEEPS OFF TRAVELLING WE NEED TO BE SURE OF HOW THESE THINGS EFFECT US IN REALITY BEFORE WE START WORRYING
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12th May 2017 5:40 pm
mz mini
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+1 Land Rover 90 - deceased
Discovery 3 - deceased
Discovery 4 2013
Mini Cooper S 1964 Mk1 - International Rally winner red & white
Mini Cooper s 1964 Mk1 - Road Rally champion green & white
Mini Cooper S 1971 Mk3 - original and unrestored
Porsche 911 997
Porsche Boxster 3.4S
VW Polo 1.2
Citroen Xsara Picasso - shed/run around
12th May 2017 5:45 pm
Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
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@Gazellio
I get lost in the maze of websites on the topic. I was mainly aiming at D3's like mine '06 plate without filter... I applied for the french vignette as it still allows me in to some places. For Germany I don't bother ;it's euro4 or higher only in most cities, highways are not affected, so I just won't stop ! I just won't go there anymore at all as of 2018. This due too the toll they will impose soon. I refuse to pay toll for roads for which the foundations were built in WW2 by slave labour !
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12th May 2017 5:57 pm
Gazellio
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Grenoble Area "Emergency Only" City Scheme (again very unlikely to effect you)
Introduction
An emergency low emission zone scheme started in Grenoble on 1st November 2016, in cases of air pollution when older vehicles are banned.
A sticker called 'certificat qualité de l’air' is mandatory for French vehicles and from 1st April 2017 also for foreign vehicles. Look for more information under 'National Scheme' on this page.
A fine of 68€ - 135€ will be send as a penalty for not complying.
Dates and details
From 1 November 2016:
The Grenoble Metropolitan area has an emergency low emission zone scheme during high pollution events:
On the second day of a high pollution event the speed limit with be lowered to 20km/h.
If the pollution event lasts longer than five days only vehicles with a Crit'Air sticker are allowed to drive. See the national scheme section below for more details on the sticker. Public transport can be used with one ticket throughout the day and renting a bike (Métrovélo) is half-price.
If the events lasts longer than seven days vehicles need a minimum of Crit'Air sticker. Public transport and renting a bike (Métrovélo) is for free.
A pollution alarm was in operation from the 7-18th December 2016. Another started on the 21st December 2016, 2nd January 2017. Check on our news page, also the Grenoble city announcements on pollution alarm.
Vehicles affected
All vehicles
Type of restriction
Emergency scheme
Alternative transport
Travel planner
Scheme Boundary
The metropolitan region of Grenoble with its 49 communes, covering about 600 square km.
Road Sign
not available yet
Need to Register?
There are stickers called "air quality certificates" (Certificats qualité de I’air) which are mandatory for French vehicles and foreign vehicles.
For vehicles registered in France, the French LEZ stickers can be bought here.
Foreigners can buy their stickers here.
All vehicles can use this webpage to see what sticker their vehicle will receive.
For details see "National Scheme".
Foreign vehicles affected?
Foreign vehicles are also affected and need to display an emission sticker from 1 April 2017 on. Foreigners can buy their stickers here.
Retrofitting allowed?
not allowed
Hours of operation
From 1st November 2016 in times of high pollution events lasting longer than 5 days: sticker Crit'Air mandatory.
If high pollution events lasts longer than 7 days: only vehicles with sticker Crit'Air 3, 2, 1 and green are allowed to drive.
Enforcement
Manual by police
Penalty
A fine of 68€ will be send.
HGV and busses pay 135€.
Note: It is not an infraction not to show (put up) the Crit'Air sticker on the car windshield. Police will control the vehicle registration card.
National Scheme
Yes. There is a national law, based on the classifications of vehicles shown in the table below.
Low emission zone stickers are mandatory for French vehicles and cost 3,70€ plus an additional cost for postage (0,48€). For vehicles registered in France, the French LEZ stickers can be bought here.
12th May 2017 5:57 pm
mz mini
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Location: Sunny Devon
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Great work Gaz was a little worried but that helps understand it greatly Land Rover 90 - deceased
Discovery 3 - deceased
Discovery 4 2013
Mini Cooper S 1964 Mk1 - International Rally winner red & white
Mini Cooper s 1964 Mk1 - Road Rally champion green & white
Mini Cooper S 1971 Mk3 - original and unrestored
Porsche 911 997
Porsche Boxster 3.4S
VW Polo 1.2
Citroen Xsara Picasso - shed/run around
12th May 2017 6:06 pm
Gazellio
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Location: Chilterns
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Dan_NL wrote:
@Gazellio
I get lost in the maze of websites on the topic. I was mainly aiming at D3's like mine '06 plate without filter... I applied for the french vignette as it still allows me in to some places. For Germany I don't bother ;it's euro4 or higher only in most cities, highways are not affected, so I just won't stop ! I just won't go there anymore at all as of 2018. This due too the toll they will impose soon. I refuse to pay toll for roads for which the foundations were built in WW2 by slave labour !
You need to facelift your 06 too late model D4 like I have with my 2005. They will not bother checking you even if you EVER end up in a pollution zone on a pollution effected day
12th May 2017 6:08 pm
Dan_NL
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@Gazellio. My license plate of my D3 gives me away. If they type it into their mobile registration verification system they identify my car as 'no DPF ' car, no matter how much I disguise the looks...
I also have a EURO4 FL2, this will take me the 80 miles to Germany comfortably enough if we go -just across- to Bad Bentheim.
No toll, no environ "mental " zones..
My FL2 is the same basic concept as your D'4' ... BLACK..
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I am waiting for a dry spell to replace the 'mirror' letters by 'black'... ..not so mirror due to delaminating..
I am thinking of registering my D3 in Portugal and leave it there permanently instead of driving it up&down each year. I don't need any stickers in the Algarve exept for the local roadtax...
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