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J77

Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6270

The only thing that saves Discovery at the moment is it’s the only full size 7 seater but that might change once the 130 goes on sale, though some may be put off by the rear door. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green

29th Dec 2021 6:22 pm

G3Z

Member Since: 16 Dec 2018
Location: South Wales
Posts: 558

2007 Discovery 3 TDV6 GS Manual Zambezi Silver

The new FFRR has a 7 seat option - so I do believe the Disco’s days are numbered, unfortunately. Defender 110 2.4 TDCi Utility Station Wagon.

2007 Disco 3 GS TDV6 Manual
200,000+ mile club 😎

29th Dec 2021 6:32 pm

DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50978

7 seat FFRR starting at £102k ...vs 7 seat D5 starting at £54k

21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021

29th Dec 2021 10:10 pm

Moo
D3 Decade

Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14387

2005 Discovery 3 TDV6 S Manual Zambezi Silver

As much as it shames me, bearing in mind my views on the D5, I've specced up a D5 with all I need for £68k. There really is nothing else to meet my new needs. Mind you, it will need to be on another level to beat my XC90 in-terms of build quality, dealer service, reliability and comfort, which are superb

The FFRR is really for a different market, which is just not me. New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)

Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)

Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)

No longer the Old Buses original owner

231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control

29th Dec 2021 10:36 pm

RRSTDV8

Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13541

DG wrote:
7 seat FFRR starting at £102k ...vs 7 seat D5 starting at £54k

The FFRR is £48k better looking and has seats that are comfortable for all. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"

30th Dec 2021 1:12 am

Moo
D3 Decade

Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14387

Not sure any of them are great loking anymore.

New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)

Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)

Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)

No longer the Old Buses original owner

231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control

30th Dec 2021 1:21 am

LT

Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23823

2016 Discovery 4 3.0 TDV6 Landmark LE Auto Santorini Black

DG wrote:
7 seat FFRR starting at £102k ...vs 7 seat D5 starting at £54k

Fair point.

I’d not have a bought a new one, but a used FFRR made sense for my needs.

I paid £52k for my 5 seater SDV8 Autobiography when it was 2.5 years old, with 20,500 miles. One reason why I’m not worried about using it as I did my Disco’s. Perhaps it’s the locking rear diff, but I think it handles muddy conditions better than the D3/4/5 I had.

I also think it looks more subtle and understated than the D5. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)

30th Dec 2021 1:25 am

DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50978

RRSTDV8 wrote:
... and has seats that are comfortable for all.

How do you know? 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021

30th Dec 2021 10:13 am

RRSTDV8

Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13541

Lots of people have complained about the middle row seats in the D5 being uncomfortable. I've never heard anyone complaining in the same way about the seats in the L405 - and the replacement has similar seats.

The D5's middle row seats are too low to the floor and the seat base is too short and poorly angled meaning insufficient support for the thighs. There are plenty of anecdotal examples of this complaint both on here and in reviews.

You bought a D5 and you loved it. Great. Just accept that others don't like it. It's not a personal attack on you although they way you jump at anyone saying bad things about the D5 certainly feels like you see it as that. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"

30th Dec 2021 10:47 am

Moo
D3 Decade

Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14387

The middle seats were an issue for my kids when trying it out when it was launched, however, the new face lift also included changes to the seats that apparanetly addresses the middle seat issue. Its one of the things we need to test before committing to buying one. New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)

Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)

Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)

No longer the Old Buses original owner

231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control

30th Dec 2021 11:01 am

DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50978

RRSTDV8 wrote:

You bought a D5 and you loved it. Great. Just accept that others don't like it. It's not a personal attack on you although they way you jump at anyone saying bad things about the D5 certainly feels like you see it as that.

Typical of you to take this angle...I asked "how do you know?" on the basis that you might have actually made a direct comparison by sitting in both...of course though you couldn't have, could you, so it's just your assumption that £48k must be worth it just for some different seats. 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021

30th Dec 2021 11:25 am

LT

Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23823

My own experiences of the middle row seats after having a 69 plate D5 for c.12,000 miles were that the design was woeful. I can’t understand how it was ever thought to be acceptable by LR for a vehicle that was intended for carrying multiple passengers.

I also found access to the third row seats to be woefully bad. Unless I was doing something wrong, which is a possibility. I only used them twice.

As always, if a vehicle suits your requirements and you like it then that’s all that matters.

2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)

30th Dec 2021 11:35 am

mse

Member Since: 27 Jun 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 2704

2015 Discovery 4 3.0 SDV6 Landmark LE Auto Indus Silver

The d5 is a fine vehicle, I know that doesn't fit here but it is.

I admit you need to spec it right and the 21 styling changes help.

Yes there are a couple of things I would have done differently, but the not space is huge, all rows are good seats, it cruises well and as long as you spec the toys like dual range it's good

I'm not entirely sure, other than the rest boot, why people don't like it, there's not a d4 feature that the d5 (3 I've had) doesn't cover... Except the tailgate perhaps Mike

30th Dec 2021 11:51 am

JackNorris

Member Since: 06 Jul 2012
Location: Beds/Bucks Border
Posts: 1879

2005 Discovery 3 4.4 V8 HSE Auto Tonga Green

Ive Two D3s, Two D4s and Two D5s with the third arriving in March so well experienced in them all.

Yes, not as flexible for carrying load but comfier, quicker, more refined and tow better I think.

I don't care about the second row, I don't sit there.

Currently got a FFRR Autobiography from LRA and I don't see too much difference, touch comfier, but id want to see a lot more difference for the money personally

Its each to their own!

MY2023 Discovery 5 R-Dynamic 3.0
MY2020 Discovery 5 Landmark 3.0 - SOLD
MY2005 Discovery 3 V8 4.4 HSE - SOLD
MY2019 Discovery 5 SE 3.0 - LR Replaced !
MY2005 Discovery 3 S 2.7 - SOLD
MY2016 Discovery 4 Graphite - SOLD
MY2015 Discovery 4 SE Tech - SOLD

30th Dec 2021 2:45 pm

nebc100

Member Since: 20 Sep 2017
Location: Altlinster
Posts: 420

I agree with you MSE.

I started with a D2 and LOVED it but it was permanently broken. Sold it after 2 years with cylinder head gasket failed (common td5 issue).

I then left LR for 8 years, and then bought an old D2 again. LOVED it!!

When the D2 was released, people hated it saying there were too many electronics it it, and it would never be any good as noone but LR would be able to repair it.

When the D3 came out... People HATED it. It was called the Ford Transit Discovery. Yet now people are singing it's praises and saying that it is the best Discovery ever maid.

Now that the D5 is here, people seem to be doing the same thing.

I have had my D5 for nearly 3 years so far, and so far it has honestly been excellent. It has not given one single major issue, and the couple of small things have only been minor and have been sorted quickly.

I have now done over 60000km with it, in all conditions, towing heavy trailers, not towing, everything. It has not skipped a beat, and is relaxed, quiet and lovely to drive.

My wife and daughter have both said that it is very comfortable.

I really don't know what people are all complaining about.

I am sure that I will be hated for posting this, but these are just my own personal opinions.

30th Dec 2021 3:25 pm