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kirkyworld
Member Since: 01 Mar 2016
Location: Northampton
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LT wrote:kirkyworld wrote:Truly the ugliest Land Rover built yet by a country mile. I would have happily swapped mine last year when it was 3 years old if the 5 was different. I'm in limbo now not knowing what to change for. The advantage of buying rather than renting cars I guess means it costs me nothing whilst I decide.
Unless your D4 is appreciating in value, you’re losing money every day.
I was in limbo for ages as well. Making a list of what I wanted from a replacement and then prioritising it lead me to a used FFRR, but even that had to be a specific year (MY17), engine and spec.
and of course it’s not as practical and versatile as the D4.
All new vehicles depreciate, that's a given but not paying out each month for pcp, loan interest or rental payments makes a huge difference.
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 7th Feb 2020 11:17 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23822
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I’d rather have my £50k odd invested and more liquid. More importantly, especially with diesel, I like having the two backstops of an agreed final value and the voluntary termination facility. 👍 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 7th Feb 2020 11:20 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23822
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I could understand the D5 better if LR had intended to make a more direct replacement D3/4 in the Defender range. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 7th Feb 2020 11:34 am |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
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What I find strange is how “Defender like” the new Defender is. It’s such a shame the Land Rover weren’t able to work a similar trick with the Disco 4 and generate a Disco 5.
The L462 could have then fulfilled its natural role as a Disco Sport “Max” or Disco Sport “Plus” and everyone would have been happy  2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 11th Feb 2020 4:56 pm |
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al cope
Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
Location: Oldbury, WM
Posts: 10351
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Its is funny that the only negative comments about the D5 are seen on here. Folks I work with or have seen/been in mine have all said its so much nicer than the boxy D4 both inside and out (and I have even asked what they thought about the rear end - all have said its looks good including one of my colleagues who is considering changing his BMW 420 for one) - as has been pointed out, everyone has their own PoV, but outside of the forum, they are pretty much all positive
Al Volvo XC90 B5 Plus Dark
Gone - MY18 D5 HSE - Corris on 22's with Black Pack
Now gone - MY16 D4 SE Tech, Loire Blue, Almond Leather, Privacy, plus some other goodies.
Old - MY12 D4 SDV6 XS Auto - Ipanema Sand with Almond Leather - Plus other niceties, and D4.com sticker
Older - D3 TDV6 XS Auto - Lugano Teal with Almond Leather, 20" Stormers, Shiny Tailpipes, DVD/TV - and obligatory D3 sticker
Ancient - D3 TDV6 S - Tonga with Ebony, 20" Stormers, satnav & DVD
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| 12th Feb 2020 8:47 am |
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Canburne
Member Since: 15 Jan 2013
Location: Devon
Posts: 2036
 
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 That's because you have one, I wonder what they say to everyone else  .
"the inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings....the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries" Winston Churchill
2016 D4 Landmark Club Waitomo ...or is it Club Tempest????
2015 D4 HSE Aintree Green
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| 12th Feb 2020 9:03 am |
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al cope
Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
Location: Oldbury, WM
Posts: 10351
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maybe it is - who knows, but given most of the folks I know are happy to take the  I dont think they'd say anything they didnt mean 
Al Volvo XC90 B5 Plus Dark
Gone - MY18 D5 HSE - Corris on 22's with Black Pack
Now gone - MY16 D4 SE Tech, Loire Blue, Almond Leather, Privacy, plus some other goodies.
Old - MY12 D4 SDV6 XS Auto - Ipanema Sand with Almond Leather - Plus other niceties, and D4.com sticker
Older - D3 TDV6 XS Auto - Lugano Teal with Almond Leather, 20" Stormers, Shiny Tailpipes, DVD/TV - and obligatory D3 sticker
Ancient - D3 TDV6 S - Tonga with Ebony, 20" Stormers, satnav & DVD
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| 12th Feb 2020 9:51 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23822
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I’ve still got the D5, colleagues, friends and family either comment negatively about its looks or say nothing. I’ve yet to hear any compliments though.
The Sd6 really is a great performer. I’d say it was more appropriate to compare it with the SDV8 than the previous TD6 that was in earlier D5’s.
I also think that some work has been done on improving NVH as well. Even though the 285/40/22 tyres do their best to wreck it, I’m sure this D5 seems more refined and quiet. I’d like to see what it was like on 19” or 20” rims. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 12th Feb 2020 10:19 am |
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Someone-Gone
Member Since: 21 Dec 2015
Location: Gone
Posts: 5117
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Careful, you might actually say you like it and that would never do.
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| 12th Feb 2020 10:21 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23822
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I’ve always said that there’s much I like about the D5. Sadly there’s too much I don’t like about it.
At least now I can add the engine to the list of positives. Although I’m not sure I’d want to own the Sd6 outside of the full warranty. Time will tell on that one. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 12th Feb 2020 10:26 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13541
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I think LT has always said that it was specific issues that turned him away from the D5 as a replacement for the D4 (edit: I see he beat to it ). Split tailgate and the hitting of the head on the A-pillar were two points often mentioned ISTR. Oh, and the ugly rear end design, of course.
The engine is the one that the RRS has had for some time now. The extra 50 horses over the older 3.0 diesel in the D4 is always going to make an impression.
The one thing that I still struggle to get my head around is where LR think the D5 sits in the range. Other than 7 seats, it doesn't really bring much over the RRS or the FFRR, especially once specced up and it reaches RRS prices. If one doesn't need the extra 2 seats, the RRS seems to be a better option for many. Perhaps, that's why the RRS is LR's best seller these days? I wonder if that will make LR consider what to do with the D5 to increase its popularity. I think the answer is obvious - the price is too high for a 7-seater in a market that is awash with 7-seaters at a price more acceptable to families. Will LR drop the price? You wouldn't bet on it, would you? Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 12th Feb 2020 10:41 am |
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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
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What did D3 and D4 bring over the RRS and FFRR, just 7 seats, but isn’t that the point for a family car? Be able to carry anything, tow anything and go anywhere in comfort. The D5 still does this and probably better than any other car out there too. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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| 12th Feb 2020 10:57 am |
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al cope
Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
Location: Oldbury, WM
Posts: 10351
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whilst obviously being happy with my chioce in going for the D5, I do agree that pricing is silly compared with what it was for the D4, and now even the new Defner is the same - I spec'd up a defender to the same as my D5 HSE and it was pretty much the same, so whilst I do like the look of the new defender, would I go for one - not sure I would at the price.
Al Volvo XC90 B5 Plus Dark
Gone - MY18 D5 HSE - Corris on 22's with Black Pack
Now gone - MY16 D4 SE Tech, Loire Blue, Almond Leather, Privacy, plus some other goodies.
Old - MY12 D4 SDV6 XS Auto - Ipanema Sand with Almond Leather - Plus other niceties, and D4.com sticker
Older - D3 TDV6 XS Auto - Lugano Teal with Almond Leather, 20" Stormers, Shiny Tailpipes, DVD/TV - and obligatory D3 sticker
Ancient - D3 TDV6 S - Tonga with Ebony, 20" Stormers, satnav & DVD
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| 12th Feb 2020 11:07 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23822
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I’d argue that the D3/4 was more comfortable than the RRS/ D5 for multiple occupants, especially those in the middle row.
There’s no doubt that the D3/4 was better at carrying objects than the RRS/D5.
As for towing. I can’t meaningfully comment as I’ve never towed in any Land Rover other than the D3/4 and ancient Defenders.
I do know that I liked the massive weight of the D3/4 when I was towing though. I felt very secure.
I’ve often said that the Tonka Toy styling was the USP for the D3/4. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 12th Feb 2020 11:09 am |
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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
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Isn't that exactly what I've said, Discoveries are offroad people and load luggers. If you want performance buy a RRS and if you want ultimate luxury buy a Full Fat, that is true now and true right back to the launch of the RRS. Prices have changed yes, but relative to each other I'm not so sure except for Defender which seems to be the only car that has changed target groups. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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| 12th Feb 2020 11:20 am |
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