Member Since: 12 Feb 2021
Location: Stroud
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Oil Pump Change.
Hi, Sorry as I know this has been done to death, any way of identifying if I have the strengthened pump... other than taking the timing belt cover off.
a new belt was fitted 53k Miles in 2018 and the disco now has 83k miles so its not due for a cam belt yet. no suggestion in the history that a pump has been fitted so should I just get it done regardless.
Thanks.
5th Dec 2021 5:53 pm
KevinD3
Member Since: 05 Aug 2020
Location: Sutton Coldfield
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Hey Chris, there’s no official way of finding out without taking the timing belt cover and all of the auxiliary belts off to take a look.
I’m in the same boat, belts don’t need changing for a while, and don’t want to go through the cost of having the front end off only to find the pumps ok. If I do it myself and find the pump need swapping, it’ll have to all go back together to take it to a garage as I don’t trust myself with a pump change after reading the horror stories of millimetre tolerance
One thing I’m thinking of (and I’m sure it’ll get a response on here) is to drill a 10mm hole in the cover in the right place (red circle) to get a boroscope through to inspect the pump, filling the hole with a rubber grommet after.
I can’t see an issue, but if it’s that simple why hasn't it been done before :s2008 HSE Stornoway Grey
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5th Dec 2021 6:45 pm
garrycol
Member Since: 06 Dec 2010
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If it is a D4, it will have the updated pump.
6th Dec 2021 7:51 am
Sea Raider
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"Hi All, just bought a 2008 D3 2.7 commercial as my daily hack"
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from an earlier post from Chris
6th Dec 2021 8:59 am
disco4ever
Member Since: 23 Dec 2013
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Re: Oil Pump Change.
Chris1573 wrote:
Hi, Sorry as I know this has been done to death, any way of identifying if I have the strengthened pump... other than taking the timing belt cover off.
a new belt was fitted 53k Miles in 2018 and the disco now has 83k miles so its not due for a cam belt yet. no suggestion in the history that a pump has been fitted so should I just get it done regardless.
Thanks.
if it is a D4 with the 2,7 engine the oil pump might need to be upgraded. I would follow the idea to look behind the scenes with an endoscope like the Bosch GIC 120Achim
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6th Dec 2021 11:46 am
Canburne
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@Chris1573 You will get better advice if you complete your profile so everyone knows what car you have!!.
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6th Dec 2021 7:47 pm
Chris1573
Member Since: 12 Feb 2021
Location: Stroud
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Done
6th Dec 2021 9:05 pm
garrycol
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Location: Canberra
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You have posted in the Maintenance & Mods (D4) section so one assumes you have a D4 - but now your profile indicates a D3 - what is it and what year.?
7th Dec 2021 12:33 am
Chris1573
Member Since: 12 Feb 2021
Location: Stroud
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Ah sorry did not realise it was in the wrong section, admins can you move this to D3 ?
Sorry !
7th Dec 2021 12:37 am
Chris1573
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So the decision has been made for me as I noticed a slight oil leak coming from the front and can see oil coming from around the timing pulley on the Crank. Have ordered the Fomoco pump and belt kit from Advanced Factors and also a genuine oil seal. Just waiting for a couple of dry days to get into it 🥶
27th Dec 2021 9:23 pm
Motolab
Member Since: 18 Oct 2019
Location: Sleen
Posts: 1815
If you bought the genuine seal, don’t forget the tool for the seal!Best regards
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27th Dec 2021 10:58 pm
Chris1573
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Hi Motolab, I have a VR seal as well so I have the plastic tool from that.
27th Dec 2021 11:00 pm
Motolab
Member Since: 18 Oct 2019
Location: Sleen
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The victor Reinz seal tool is as straight and sharp as the crankshaft itself, so the tension on the teflon lip will be as instant as fitting it straight to the crankshaft…. That is why the JLR tool is conical shaped
The VR seal is pre fitted on their tool for the same reasons…Best regards
Harold
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Ps. I edit my texts quite often, english is not my native language, so I will edit My “typo’s” etc.
27th Dec 2021 11:07 pm
Chris1573
Member Since: 12 Feb 2021
Location: Stroud
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Ok on mine it has a rounded end that goes wider as you push the seal along…
27th Dec 2021 11:25 pm
Chris1573
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Made a start today!
The obligatory “cam belt pic” to prove It
I would have taken more pics but with both hands and arms black with old oil and grease I just decided I needed to crack on, I felt a bit like James Herriot trying to get a calf out for most of the time, started with the starter motor as I knew this was going to be a knarley job but managed to get the positive cable off then with the bracket removed and the fuel cooler loose and pushed to one side I managed to move the starter motor out of the way without having to disconnect it completely.
Alternator was not too bad I found my impulse tool buying paid off and a 13mm flexi head ratchet spanner was the tool for the job for the bottom bolts.
Timing pins and flywheel tool are in place and 3 out of 5 bolts done on the alternator bracket so far before I quit for the day.
In comparison the timing cover itself was the easy task. !
Hopefully another dry day tomorrow ! About 3 hours in so far….
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