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disco4x4au
Member Since: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Perth
Posts: 409
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ralphhardwick wrote:Gordon,
Thanks for the info. that is very reassuring news about the EAS and corrugations.. Just one point (excuse my ignorance) but what do you mean by 'shortened HS rod'?
There's quite a few threads on raising the D3's suspension. Do a search on here, or email me if you want to see my setup.
ralphhardwick wrote:
My main reason for the 19" wheel is so that I can fit MT/Rs as these have poven themselves over the last 40+k miles on my current disco. I have also heard that there are only a few (2, MT/R & BFG ATs) off-road biased tyres approved by LR. I am open to persuassion on the best setup though.
Perhaps not applicable to your part of the world, but here in Oz, 19" tyres outside of one or two capital cities are relegated to mythical status. So if you need an extra in a hurry, forget it. For remote touring, we found the most common tyre-size that would fit the D3 was 245/70R17 or 265/70R17, both of which provide quite a few tyre choices in both MT and AT. Plus you have the advantage of larger sidewalls and can get Light Truck construction in these sizes.
Cheers,
Gordon ex - 2006 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, with lots of stuff - R.I.P.
ex - 2009 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, had lots of stuff too!
Now - 2010 RRS 3.0 TDV6, rimini red, 18" rims + Cooper LTZ, rear eLocker, Spider tuning box, GOE protection plates and rock sliders, GOE 3way shortened rods.
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 25th Aug 2011 12:19 am |
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bundubasha
Member Since: 02 Nov 2010
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 62
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I agree, 19" MTRs are a mistake. The sidewalls are very hard and not very tall and transmit shock through to the rims, which eventually crack on rough roads. As a 16" tyre they are fantastic, but not in 19". Try to get 17", I run mine on the new Goodyear ATRs, which are great for everything except thorns which go through the sidewalls very easily -everything is a compromise!! There are lts of choices in this size. Make sure you carry a tubeless repair kit, very easy to use and 9 times out of 10 you can repair a puncture without even taking the wheel off.
As regards a second tank, I fitted the Kaymar rear bar and long ranger tank, both from Oz and both really expensive. I can't decide if this is worth doing, especially as you are on a budget. I am amazed that no one in the UK is building these things, but I suppose it goes back to the fact that people in the UK don't need these things and people in OZ do. I guess there are not enough people like you driving across Africa!
I am not convinced by extensive underbody protection, personally I think most of it is a waste of money. Most overland trips are 99% on roads anyway, and you certainly won't need a locking rear diff, which I doubt you will find on lower spec D3s...
Also don't expect your D3 to be any more reliable than your D1... The most invaluable tool you can ever take overland is your credit card, but I guess you know that already...!
Good luck!
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| 25th Aug 2011 6:25 am |
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bundubasha
Member Since: 02 Nov 2010
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 62
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By the way, I drove a 1972 lightweight SIII through Tunisia, Algeria and Morrocco in 1992 and it didn't miss a beat... I don't want to put a downer on your trip but don't expect your friendly local Morroccan mechanics to be able to fix a D3... 
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| 25th Aug 2011 6:39 am |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
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bundubasha wrote:I agree, 19" MTRs are a mistake. The sidewalls are very hard and not very tall and transmit shock through to the rims, which eventually crack on rough roads.
Really ? Never heard of that scenario  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 25th Aug 2011 7:02 am |
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grzesiul
Member Since: 11 May 2008
Location: UK
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bundubasha
mine look as I got them after 1K+ of harsh surface in Romania and last 5000 miles, not even scratch and I can not imagine better rubber so versatile for the trip although you are right about the side wall height does not help to protect the alloy from being scratched or chipped
cheers
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| 25th Aug 2011 7:29 am |
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bundubasha
Member Since: 02 Nov 2010
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 62
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yes, common problem here. i can post photos, although can't prove that it is as a result of the harder sidewalls in the 19" tyres. also hard to get replacements on route, as has been said before... 17" best bet in my opinion.
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| 25th Aug 2011 7:37 am |
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bundubasha
Member Since: 02 Nov 2010
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 62
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Don't get me wrong, I think the Goodyear MTR is an excellent tyre, and have used them for competition rallying extensively, I just don't think they are the best choice for this application in 19". In 16" I think they are unbeatable, especially the latest design with the Kevlar sidewalls. __________________
ex - 1972 lightweight
ex - various Disco 1
ex - 2004 Disco 2 TD5
now - 110 challenge vehicle with 3.9 V8 and Unimog portals
Now - 2006 TDV6 Kaymar rear bar, lone ranger tank, various expensive out of warranty repairs...
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| 25th Aug 2011 7:58 am |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
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bundubasha wrote:yes, common problem here.
Don't know what is so different about Nairobi's rough roads to any other place with similar terrain TBH . Are you saying this is specifically the D3 19" alloy that cracks ?? 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 25th Aug 2011 8:21 am |
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bundubasha
Member Since: 02 Nov 2010
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 62
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OK, I have obviously pressed a button here... I will endeavour to get more info on the vehicles that have suffered this problem with these tyres. As an aside, I don't believe that Goodyear make these Tyres in 19" anymore, although I could be wrong... __________________
ex - 1972 lightweight
ex - various Disco 1
ex - 2004 Disco 2 TD5
now - 110 challenge vehicle with 3.9 V8 and Unimog portals
Now - 2006 TDV6 Kaymar rear bar, lone ranger tank, various expensive out of warranty repairs...
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| 25th Aug 2011 9:49 am |
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bundubasha
Member Since: 02 Nov 2010
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 62
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The reason I say this is a friend of mine bought a D3 and came to me for a tyre recommendation, and I recommended these Tyres to him, and he has had two rims crack, naturally he came back to me to tell me. He also says that he is not the only one. The thinking about the cause is mine, and is an opinion, not a fact, I admit. It could be a dodgy batch of rims, I suppose... __________________
ex - 1972 lightweight
ex - various Disco 1
ex - 2004 Disco 2 TD5
now - 110 challenge vehicle with 3.9 V8 and Unimog portals
Now - 2006 TDV6 Kaymar rear bar, lone ranger tank, various expensive out of warranty repairs...
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| 25th Aug 2011 9:49 am |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
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No buttons pressed  I only ask because there are several members who have extensively used or are still using the 19" MTR, including myself, and this is not a problem which has previously been reported on the site ...if there is a new problem then I'm sure that they would be interested  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 25th Aug 2011 10:03 am |
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grzesiul
Member Since: 11 May 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 6398
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I love my S rated kevlar MT/Rs Big Time 
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| 25th Aug 2011 10:54 am |
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ralphhardwick
Member Since: 29 Jun 2011
Location: Norfolk UK
Posts: 23
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Wow. where to begin? Thanks for all the input guys.
bundubasha
It looks as if you're right about the mt/r. Goodyear UK don't show it at all on their website if you use the tyre selctor. If you search directly it shows the older version and you can't select a size. So it looks like they no longer offer them in the UK other than what dealers have in stock 
The BFG website states : "We have no product suitable for your vehicle" so I shall have to look elsewhere. It's bad enough being stranded in the middle of nowhere unable to get a replacement, I don't want it to happen when I'm at home 
I can understand the benefits of having a deeper sidewall, especially having driven the sands in Tunisa, I just really liked MT/Rs and (if I'm honest) the look of 19" rims.
I'm quite happy to do the research but, before i do, has anyone collated a complet list of off-road suitable tyres for 17", 18" and 19" disco 3 rims? If not I can see a few hours of googling ahead Discovery 300Tdi
www.overland-rovers.com
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| 25th Aug 2011 2:18 pm |
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devonchilliman
Member Since: 03 Nov 2008
Location: Devon
Posts: 5224
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grzesiul wrote:I love my S rated kevlar MT/Rs Big Time
Second that Www.devonchilliman.co.uk
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| 25th Aug 2011 2:33 pm |
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