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robsta
 


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Pirelli ATRs, AT+ or Cooper ATT

Morning....

A quick question, and maybe some advice!

I have had 3 Disco's, the current a D4 V8. I have Pirelli ATR's on it at the moment, and in fact, all the Discos had them. So far, I have only had some fun in the mud, but it did eventually get itself out.

I am due a new set of tires but I am battling to find ATR's, and can occasionally get the AT+.

Now I see Cooper has launched the ATT. Has anyone had any experience with them?

I have not done too much off roading with the V8, but thats because of the "2 pink foots" in the house the last 3 years. The kids are now old enough to travel into Mozambique, so will start doing that often. In the past, the ATR's seemed to be ok in Mozambique and would go get another set if I could, but the local dealers say they will be stopping production soon.

After some research I have found the following.

The ATR is a generally good all rounder. But suffers in snow and not the best in mud. Fuel consumption average.

The AT+ is excellent off road, very good on road, but after 10000km they seem to become noisy, and fuel consumption will go up and higher when compared to ATR. No idea on tread wear.

The Cooper ATT is new. Not much found on it, but they say consumption down and a slightly more aggressive 60 / 40 road bias split. No one knows the tread life, or have any idea what they will be like over time. (noise etc), but they seem to be a viable replacement tire.

So what to do. They are available in 19" They are cheaper then the ATR and AT+, but need to know if they are the right thing to do.
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rrhool
 


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Recently fitted ATR's to mine, very impressed so far! Thumbs Up
 Richard


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Post #210040318th Nov 2019 9:43 am
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LT
 


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I must have driven more than 250k miles on ATR’s. Whilst we don’t get much snow in the South West, whenever we did I could only praise their performance. They’re not an MT, but I never got stuck.

I could get 50k miles from a set and always found them to be really tough, especially the sidewalls.
 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
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Post #210040718th Nov 2019 9:56 am
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robsta
 


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I agree

The ATR is very very good!!! I have done some snow in the high Lesotho mountains, and deep mud during the Land Rover Experience course....Damn....I was the last vehicle on the track in torrential rain, got little stuck going uphill with the mud almost at the hub, but after many attempts, the ATRs did get me out.

In all 3 the Discos, I think I have covered about 215000km on the Pirelli ATR and am very happy with them.

As for the snow, we don't really have snow in SA, only beach sand and occasionally mud.

But, I can't find any ATRs at them moment. So looking at options.
 Previously Freelander II
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Previously '10 Disco4 TDV / SDV6 HSE
Now: '12 Freelander II SD4 HSE -
Now '11 Disco4 V8 HSE 
 
Post #210041018th Nov 2019 10:12 am
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LT
 


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Available here:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/pir...11h-732868

I appreciate that they may not ship to you though. 👍
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2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
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rrhool
 


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Got mine from Tyreleader. No issues.
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Discovery 2 4.0 ES 2001- Gone
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LT
 


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The OP is in SA though!
 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography 
 
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DSL
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I miss ATRs. If Pirelli can’t sort out supply maybe they should get someone in that can and stick to calanders. Thumbs Up
   
Post #210045418th Nov 2019 1:23 pm
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robsta
 


Member Since: 19 Mar 2011
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I live in SA. UK citizen, house in London.....But i live in SA and ATRs' have normally always been difficult to get for the 19" Discos.

Question? Who has changed to a 265/55/R19 or even 275 on the same R19 rim?

I am not wheel wise, can it be done?


Interestingly, I saw a VW 'Ama-Crock TDi' with the AT+ last night. Man they do look good.
 Previously Freelander II
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Previously '10 Disco4 TDV / SDV6 HSE
Now: '12 Freelander II SD4 HSE -
Now '11 Disco4 V8 HSE 
 
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LT
 


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Have you considered buying a set of 18” Compomotive rims?
 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography 
 
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Gorilla63
 


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robsta wrote:
I live in SA. UK citizen, house in London.....But i live in SA and ATRs' have normally always been difficult to get for the 19" Discos.

Question? Who has changed to a 265/55/R19 or even 275 on the same R19 rim?

I am not wheel wise, can it be done?


Interestingly, I saw a VW 'Ama-Crock TDi' with the AT+ last night. Man they do look good.

You need different things out of a tyre in SA. What works well in the UK will not do the same in SA and vice-versa. Find yourself a set of BFG AT's and be done with it, there isn't much that will outperform them in SA conditions if you do a large percentage of driving off the tar.
  
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robsta
 


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LT wrote:
Have you considered buying a set of 18” Compomotive rims?


Yes, but no....Mine is the V8...different brakes apparently so cant change the rim
 Previously Freelander II
Previously '08 Disco 3 TDV6 SE
Previously '10 Disco4 TDV / SDV6 HSE
Now: '12 Freelander II SD4 HSE -
Now '11 Disco4 V8 HSE 
 
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robsta
 


Member Since: 19 Mar 2011
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So I ordered a set of the Cooper Discoverer ATT 's today...Hopefully fit them by this weekend.

I did endless research and found a couple of people who had the AT Plus fitted. Many are mumbling about road noise and fuel consumption.

I was lead to a tire certification website and the older Scorpion ATR has very high road resistance after 100km/h, making it heavy on fuel. It scored a RED "F" for consumption, and here I thought my Disco4 was just heavy. 15L/100. Wet braking is also not great with the Scorpion ATR scoring an E, as in 15m over the standard test tire.

The Cooper comes in at C for Fuel, and C for wet, but they are noisier. Its ok, 2 toddlers in the car, tires are the least concern.

I will post pics next week when I get them.

Thanks for the chat!
 Previously Freelander II
Previously '08 Disco 3 TDV6 SE
Previously '10 Disco4 TDV / SDV6 HSE
Now: '12 Freelander II SD4 HSE -
Now '11 Disco4 V8 HSE 
 
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CongoBoy
 


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I agree!!
My Discos' in Southern African have all got BF Goodrich ATs and have not gone wrong in all sorts of our terrain.
Got them here on my Disco and theyre are not the best TBH in the cold!!


Gorilla63 wrote:
robsta wrote:
I live in SA. UK citizen, house in London.....But i live in SA and ATRs' have normally always been difficult to get for the 19" Discos.

Question? Who has changed to a 265/55/R19 or even 275 on the same R19 rim?

I am not wheel wise, can it be done?


Interestingly, I saw a VW 'Ama-Crock TDi' with the AT+ last night. Man they do look good.

You need different things out of a tyre in SA. What works well in the UK will not do the same in SA and vice-versa. Find yourself a set of BFG AT's and be done with it, there isn't much that will outperform them in SA conditions if you do a large percentage of driving off the tar.
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LT
 


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robsta wrote:
LT wrote:
Have you considered buying a set of 18” Compomotive rims?


Yes, but no....Mine is the V8...different brakes apparently so cant change the rim


The Compomotive PD1881’s are specifically designed to fit over the bigger brakes on a D4. Have you checked with Barry at Compomotive? He’d know for sure about the D4 V8 brakes.

I know they fit over the large discs of the Bowler completion vehicles.
 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography 
 
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