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Plasterboard fixings
Hope this finds everyone well
May i pick ur brains plse , ref plasterboard fixings , going to fit some flat bars on the wall in order to fit some part bins, however this particular wall has 75mm of celotex insulation , normal metal fixings are useless and wondered if anyone may have some suggestions plse
Pic are the ones I normally use in non insulated plasterboard , think in this case the plaster board only looks around 10mm thick and they simply won’t bite properly
Spent ages Looking at others but because of the insulation and see some fixings spread out the insulation I think will prevent them performing as they should
Am wondering if I might have to drill right through the insulation into the brickwork , using something like 125 x 8mm screws with brown plugs
Many thks as always
14th Sep 2020 10:15 pm
pjm-84
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I'd expect the slow compression forcing out the Jaws would provide sufficient force to push back the insulation.
That said, if the plasterboard is very thin you might be better off trying to pick up on the studs?2016 Skoda Octavia VRS Estate
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14th Sep 2020 10:36 pm
galwaygreen
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fix a 12 mm ply board over the area you want bins..fix it thro the lot into brickwork...use TORX masonry screws as the attached tool stion link...no plugs needed....you wont shift it.....make sure you use correct size drillt bit...
14th Sep 2020 10:55 pm
defector
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If you are talking victorian/Edwardian era house then I would go back to the brickwork.
Alternatively, as mentioned, plywood fixed through to brickwork, but as I have used threaded rod and epoxy on a few occasions now, that would be my favoured method of fixing the ply.
15th Sep 2020 3:04 am
gstuart
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Many thks to all as that’s extremely appreciated
Wondered that about some ply , its a 60s built house
Will get some of those fixings , if they don’t work can easily use them elsewhere , then move onto fitting the ply
i bought a pack of the type in the screwfix link ... and was persuaded to get the rawlplug fixing tool too.
don't bother. the genuine tool breaks sooo easily it's untrue. I also have a "cheap'n'nasty" variant and it's miles better.
if you're only doing a few, probably not worth getting the tool and just take your time getting the fixings to bite ... which will be easier in any case if you're also adding a sheet of ply.
15th Sep 2020 7:25 am
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If you are putting a piece of ply up mark out where you want the parts bins to be (larger ones at the bottom or on one side) before you put it up and it will save time once it's up...I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
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15th Sep 2020 7:29 am
pjm-84
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I have the setting tool. Blue handle. Works well but I don't know if its genuine or not. Ignore the cheaper fixings and go with the branded option.
Just reread your OP. Once and if its start to bite into the rigid insulation you'll be fine, as it will cut into it. Need to check plasterboard thickness. Sometimes that type of board has 9.5mm plasterboard which is weedy. I suspect based on the thickness of the insulation it will be 12.5mm
Also if the parts bin is heavy then external patressing, as others have said, to spread the load. Glue and pin the corners.
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15th Sep 2020 8:39 am
stew 46
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Just find your studs and and mark then and as said some ply or OSB screws through in to your studs , that’s the only way I would do it -------------------------------------------------
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15th Sep 2020 8:43 am
jamez79
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Chemical cement and threaded bar? Drill into brickwork, apply chemical cement, insert bar, wait for it to set and bob's your uncle. It's used a lot for gun safes so won't budge once its set.
If you fixed a sheet of mdf to the wall, you'd then be able to fix what you want, where you want.
15th Sep 2020 8:58 am
Grunders
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stew 46 wrote:
Just find your studs and and mark then and as said some ply or OSB screws through in to your studs , that’s the only way I would do it
The best and easiest option If it ain't broke... Take it apart anyway, how else you gonna find out how it works
15th Sep 2020 9:49 am
gstuart
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@hardware , brilliant , will take the idea from the 16 th century builders just drill through to the outside wall and fit threaded bar from outside / in
Wall doesn’t have any studs , plaster board was fixed by dob and dab direct to brick
Will double check the plasterboard thickness, think I have a small section left in my tardis ( shed)
Have been looking at 18mm marine ply as I’m wondering should give me a better fixing , will be a row of x 4 with around 80 - 100 x bins, all small for mainly connectors and god knows what else I’ve collected from the last 30 x years
Drives me nuts not being able to find things straightaway , plus also need to sort out some drawer/ cabinets for my tools but that’s another story
Funny enough used some of the glue / studs for fixing angle brackets to support cold water tanks , must admit do like the idea of that , M8 should be suffice , inc some penny washers for the outside of the boards
Looked at those setting tools and must admit wasn’t going to bother
Starting to get back on my feet so will order some sheets in a few weeks time
Whilst on the tool station web site I came across these , never seen them before , prefer the board idea
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