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MarkTaylor
Member Since: 28 Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane
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| What pressures in new Scorpion ATR 18" |
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After a long time waiting.. at last I have new set of Pirelli ATR on the Disco. Bob Jane T mart says run front and back at 40 PSI.. higher than LR suggest.
Any comments or suggestions?
Cheers
Mark T Nothing of any value is ever achieved without some sacrifice.
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 23rd Jul 2008 4:19 am |
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caverD3
Member Since: 03 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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Don't listen to anything Bob Jane says, they are idiots. They filled my to Cooper HT+s at 40 Psi, too way too high, very hard ride, just thought it was a characturistic of the tyres. I didn't realise untill I had problems controlling it on a gravel road, checked the pressures and lowered them. When I complained they told me it was the pressure recommended by Coopers. 
The vehicle manufacturers pressures are the best indicator; I run 2 psi over on tar 1psi under on gravel and lower pressures off depending on the surface, down to 15 psi on sand.
They also wanted me to buy a new tyre the day after I bought them when I got puncture at the edge of the tread.  Took it to my old supplier who fixed it saying the repair will last longer than the tyre. 
Start with the standard giude pressures and adust from there to find what suits the Pirellis.
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| 23rd Jul 2008 6:53 am |
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mobyone
Member Since: 23 Dec 2005
Location: Melbourne
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Mark, out of curiosity, how long did you wait for these tyres? Currently I can't find a supplier in Melbourne who can even give me an ETA in Australia. They claim that Pirelli are not importing them yet! Perhaps this is the case for the 19" wheels?
Thanks What's the point.... it all comes out in the wash anyway!
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| 24th Jul 2008 4:13 am |
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MarkTaylor
Member Since: 28 Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 185
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Well.. I originally wanted Copper ATR. Cooper told me last October that they would be available in 18 inch by April this year... then July and now next year. So.. I found the Pirelli ATR on their web site. The first Pirelli dealer I went to tried to sell me Zeros.. a road tire only. I told him about the ATR and he told they were not being imported. So I rang Pirelli in Melbourne? (from Pirelli's web site) and spoke to Tracey. She told me they were on the way.. only a couple of weeks. Anyhow, this turned into 2 months. When Bob Jane rang and said they were in.. I took the car to have them fitted. I happened to look in on the job as it "was happening" and discovered that they had fitted Zeros to the 2 front wheels.
So.. I was told again that ATR's were not available in this country. Yes they are.. go find your boss, he ordered them for me! Anyhow, the ATRs arrived yesterday and now they are on the Disco. The first thing I have noticed is that the ride is much smoother. In fact SWMBO even noticed it. If you give it a boot full off the line, they certainly make more noise than the OEM Good Years, but boy are they smooth.
Ring Pirelli direct and ask for Tracey.. she seems to know what's going on.
Cheers
Mark T Nothing of any value is ever achieved without some sacrifice.
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| 24th Jul 2008 10:56 am |
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Desert Traveller
Member Since: 06 Aug 2006
Location: The Gabba - QLD
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Mark,
You are comparing worn Wranglers with brand new Pirellis. Has anyone compared NEW Wranglers with Pirelli ATR's?
When I compared Wranglers (as new) and AT2's (new) on the road (not offroad) the Wranglers were easily better. 06 TDV6 SE with many LR and after-market extras. Used only on weekends and trips out west.
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| 24th Jul 2008 12:06 pm |
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MarkTaylor
Member Since: 28 Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 185
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Good point you have raised.
The OEM Wranglers became noisier as they wore.
They still had around 5 - 10K worth of tread, but i am going on a long trip come October that will include a lot of "off road" conditions.. so I changed now.
I have used the Wranglers off road a lot in the past and they are amazing (or perhaps the D3 is) as to where they can go. In any sort of mud though, they are slicks. I have had uneven wear issues.. and the new wheel alignment showed the wheels to be all over the place from the last alignment that was only 3 months ago by the dealer. (No off road since then) The tyre dealer let me watch the laser and see how far all 4 wheels were out. The are now all the same.
How the Scorpion ATRs perform off road is yet to be seen as well as wear. But they are certainly a lot cheaper than replacing with another set of Wrangler OEM tyres. My own pet theory is that because the OEMs are made in Germany they are made for cruising the AutoBahns at high speed and so are a softer compound.
I go to Germany every 12 months on business and see a lot of D3s just flying around Munich on their autobahns.
As to the ATRs.. well in the fullness of time we'll know.
Cheers
Mark T Nothing of any value is ever achieved without some sacrifice.
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| 24th Jul 2008 11:26 pm |
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mobyone
Member Since: 23 Dec 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 394
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Hi Mark, thanks for the tip, I did e-mail Pirelli and they have now confirmed 26 19" tyres are due in Australia in 3 weeks time. They suggested I place an order with Bob jane and I should have them ASAP....
I too am not sure how they will compare to the OEM wranglers, as I have been relatively happy with mine except for the road noise which was caused due to poor alignment at around 18,000km's. Ive done another 20,000 kms since and they are still Ok about 3-4mm left so am thinking what to replace them with. I like the new ATR but will wait a few months to see how they settle in, so your feedback will be most welcome, especially after your big trip.
BTW, what sort of price did you get for the 18"'s and are they really cheaper than the OEM's? I've been quoted $470/Wrangler but no price yet for Scorpion ATR...
Cheers
Moby What's the point.... it all comes out in the wash anyway!
85 Range Rover
01 Disco Series II
05 D3 V6SE, Bonatti Grey, 19"alloys
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| 25th Jul 2008 5:59 am |
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MarkTaylor
Member Since: 28 Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 185
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My 18" ATRs cost me $340 each fitted. Bob Jane have a variety of wheel balance options.. mine worked out at $12 or so each. I had the dealer put it in "Wheel Alignment Mode" and then BJ did the alignment. The toe in was out dramatically on all 4 wheels. (Done through dealer not too long ago) They are now all set to plus 0.5 deg toe out on all wheels. The dealer then set the suspension to normal. They quoted me $55 when i booked it in and charged me $77 when they did it!
That's life.
Cheers
Mark T Nothing of any value is ever achieved without some sacrifice.
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| 25th Jul 2008 7:33 am |
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mobyone
Member Since: 23 Dec 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 394
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$77  .....
sure beats $220  that the dealer charged me last year for an alignment!!! What's the point.... it all comes out in the wash anyway!
85 Range Rover
01 Disco Series II
05 D3 V6SE, Bonatti Grey, 19"alloys
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| 25th Jul 2008 8:40 am |
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Neil Pettersen
Member Since: 23 Nov 2007
Location: Cutting the grass
Posts: 1254
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Crikey Mobyone !
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| 25th Jul 2008 8:43 am |
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mobyone
Member Since: 23 Dec 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 394
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What was I supposed to do Neil? 
They basically gave me the standard crap about how it takes nearly 3 hrs to complete and they charge around $100/hr. At that time there weren't many other options.... Today I feel much more confident in taking the vehicle to a tyre dealer for an alignment, which is exactly what I intend to do, (next time) ....
Cheers Moby What's the point.... it all comes out in the wash anyway!
85 Range Rover
01 Disco Series II
05 D3 V6SE, Bonatti Grey, 19"alloys
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| 25th Jul 2008 8:48 am |
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MarkTaylor
Member Since: 28 Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 185
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The wheel alignment.. Dealer charged $77 for "Computer Stuff" and Bob Jane charged $66 for 4 wheel alignment.
Makes for a total of $143. But at least I know it's OK. Bob Jane offer a free wheel alignment at 12,000 km but first the dealer has to perform their balk magic again first.
Cheers
MT Nothing of any value is ever achieved without some sacrifice.
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| 25th Jul 2008 9:26 am |
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Neil Pettersen
Member Since: 23 Nov 2007
Location: Cutting the grass
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Mark,
When you watched the Bob Jane lot doing the alignment, how long did it take them ?
I've not had this done for many years ....... change too often I suppose.
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| 25th Jul 2008 9:50 am |
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MarkTaylor
Member Since: 28 Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 185
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From on the ramp to off... about a half hour.
Cheers
Mark Nothing of any value is ever achieved without some sacrifice.
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| 26th Jul 2008 1:59 am |
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mobyone
Member Since: 23 Dec 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 394
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$77 just to put it in wheel alignment mode  That's ridiculous and simply a monopoly that LR have created.
 What's the point.... it all comes out in the wash anyway!
85 Range Rover
01 Disco Series II
05 D3 V6SE, Bonatti Grey, 19"alloys
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| 26th Jul 2008 8:13 am |
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