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Quiet tyres = lower tax
TRL are putting forward recommedations to have the VEL reduced for tyres that produce less than 71db's. Tyre manufacturers will have an opportunity to stamp their tyres 'Low noise' to Auto express are giving an example of a D3 4.4V8 having it's tax reduced by £20.
They don't seem to have taken into account other factors such as noisy road surfaces or how you prove you have the tyres though 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
31st Aug 2006 9:57 am
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Might save £20/year in VED but would probably add a good whack more per tyre. Like many of these eco ideas, save a little by spending a fortune!
31st Aug 2006 9:59 am
dylansdad
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what a great idea.... could we also get a discount because we keep ouor radios down? I would be happy to sign up to not having the radio loud in return for a VED discount! 2004 TDV6 HSE Auto Zambezi Silver
31st Aug 2006 11:17 am
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I could have a discount as well for not having D3s with loud colours (bonatti & Buck Blue)! Sorry Simkna, red would unfortunately have to be classed as loud unless you have some mud on it!
31st Aug 2006 11:21 am
simon
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So it goes up due to CO2 then goes down due to using rubber and mucho CO2 to produce the tyres
Worlds gone mad me thinks.
What will happen next is Red Ken will announce a plan for his own personal Toyota Pious to avoid any tax whatsoever by rolling around in cotton wool clad wheels.
Check out Autocar news page 23 this week... apparently he avoids the CC as he just bought a Pious.
It makes more sense than you might think. Noise is a form of energy. For noise to be created, energy has to be expended. In the case of road tyre noise, that energy is derived from your engine. This is why tyres like Michelin Energy are able to quote improved fuel economy as a result of reduced rolling resistance, which in turn produces less noise.
Unfortunately the chances of getting a tyre wide enough to support the D3 while still having low enough rolling resistance to qualify for this proposed reduction are slimmer than Karen Carpenter.
31st Aug 2006 11:34 am
simon
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mmm good point and to be honest I don't care if I never drive in London again
31st Aug 2006 11:41 am
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Me neither, will take my dosh elsewhere to spend! Used to do a few trips to London a year for things like Chrismas shopping, not any more. If London (Red Ken) does not want me, I'll go happily elsewhere!
31st Aug 2006 11:44 am
Mossy
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Re: Quiet tyres = lower tax
dickgriff wrote:
....Auto express are giving an example of a D3 4.4V8 having it's tax reduced by £20....
Oooh what a saving - that'll buy me a lot of Petrol; might get that OPEC gold badge yet D3 HSE V8...
TRL are putting forward recommedations to have the VEL reduced for tyres that produce less than 71db's.
Actually TRL are just commenting on current European directives. There's already a limit in force (between 71 and 76dB(A) depending on tyre type) and the proposal is to reduce this to a maximum of 73 dB(A) by 2010. TRL's tests found that out of 148 tyres tested, only two failed the current noise limit.
The suggestion of a VED reduction is put forward as an financial incentive for consumers to select the lowest noise grade possible. More worringly, the report correctly identifies that tyre noise is directly related to vehicle speed and, guess what, a reduced speed limit would be another way of reducing overall noise levels
What a shame you can't just put a bit of cut-up Fairy liquid bottle in your spokes like you used to on your pushbike when you were twelve. That produces LOTS of noise! It would be very amusing watching traffic policemen trying to measure noise levels: noise is one of the most difficult things to quantify and measure accurately.
31st Aug 2006 12:42 pm
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Having just put MTR's on ....they can keep their 20 quid 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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31st Aug 2006 1:13 pm
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A thing of beauty, not too noisy & have not noticed any difference in handling or breaking! Sorry answering for DG!
31st Aug 2006 1:19 pm
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They are great .......to look at
Haven't been off with them yet but may try a lane or 2 at the wilderness weekend
They are slightly noisier than the road tyres ...but that doesn't bother me ...just turn the radio up Handling and braking are great as DSL has said.21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
31st Aug 2006 1:34 pm
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DG, U will enjoy. Seems to redice the side slithering according to those on slicks (road tyres) in the mud. Say hi to the Wildeness for me!
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