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BlackPerth wrote:
Think I'll just find another Trainer...
The only way to have two rated ones is to attach to chassis and pay for an engineer to rate, then using only one you can twist the chassis.
Expensive for you and when to go to another trainer tell this one why. They may change their insurance policy or an increase in their rate would be cheaper than fitting rated points.“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
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The front recovery point is not rated. (in the manual) Where does the 6 ton statement come from DG?
When I fitted my ARB bar I fitted a rated tow hook to the bottom of each chassis rail passing through both the bottom ARB mount and the chassis. The bottom ARB mount is not part of the crush mount system.
These mounts are more than enough to satisfy any one.
All the best
Ianv
PS: I carry a bridle in my recovery kit to use both points at once to protect the chassis from twist.
See picture
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29th May 2008 11:31 am
StornowaySA
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Thanks Ianv - thats exactly what I had in mind and I'll show my "4x4 guy" so he can fit them for me!MY2010 D4 HSE 3.0, e-diff, 19inch MTR's; LLAMS Height adjustor, LR f & r light guards, LR side steps, LR bright finish side door mouldings; LR/Mantec G4 front bash plate, LR G4 Winch kit, Warn 9500lb Winch; GOE compressor guard, Uniden UHF, LR bright finish roof rails, LR G4 driving light kit, LR G4 ladder, 4 x extra rear compartment 12V sockets, Traxide dual battery system and Optima Yellowtop battery, ORS drawer system / fridge slide, LED rear compartment lighting.
I think Eureka just don't want anyone showing up their toymotas! Have a nice day!
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29th May 2008 12:36 pm
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ianv wrote:
Hi,
The front recovery point is not rated. (in the manual) Where does the 6 ton statement come from DG?
The video (link on previous page) made by LR of the D3 being suspended states that the chassis has a 6 ton snatch rating...in order to carry out a snatch recovery you would then use the recovery points ...no?.
The towing eyes must be officially rated to achieve contruction and use regs 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
29th May 2008 12:58 pm
catweasel
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nice as the video is, it states that the integrated body frame has a 6 ton snatch rating and fails to mention a rating for any recovery points. the manual also gives no mention of loading on the recovery eyes other than that they are designed for on road recovery only and any other use could cause damage or injury. it appears as though their designed use is to place the D3 on a flatbed and not offroad recovery. no doubt they can and have been but officialy have no rating that I can find.
While I can see why certain people may ask for rated this and rated that, it's all relative.
The picture a post or two back shows "rated" hooks, no doubt attached by "rated" bolts.
But is what they are attached to rated?
How far does one have to go?
Basically we want quality gear that will allow us to work safely.
Is that too much to ask?
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29th May 2008 2:52 pm
catweasel
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Non Stick Nick wrote:
But is what they are attached to rated?
err yes. 6 ton as previously stated
29th May 2008 3:23 pm
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Having pulled AndrewS out of deep sand with a snatch rope from the front recovery point the force applied to that eye must have been quite considerable. It's a bit of a mystery that there are no figures and why would the chassis be rated at 6 ton snatch but in effect they are saying there's nothing to snatch from 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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29th May 2008 3:30 pm
catweasel
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because the recovery eyes are not rated
the demo says to me that the chassis is strong and will withstand offroad abuse, nothing more. you'll have to seek divine guidance from LR on that one. I know the vehicle is more than capable of towing more than 1 ton offroad but for some reason the manual states no more than this. we need a shrug shoulders emoticon coz I dont have a feckin clue (but thats not unusual )
29th May 2008 3:37 pm
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Watch and learn what LR say in their ad.
“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
D4 3.0 Active Diff, Adaptive Lights, High Beam Assist, Surround Cameras, Privacy Glass.
D3 2.7:Adaptive Headlights,Electronic Rear Diff,ARB Bar,Blaupunkt Speakers,JVC Powered Subwoofer,Removable Snorkel,Mitch Hitch,Pioneer After Market Head Unit,Steering Wheel Control Adaptor,Remote Adjustable Supension Rod System, Taxside Dual Battery System.
10th Jun 2008 3:23 am
hernan1304
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The recovery points work offroad for me no problem. Also don't think I've ever seen mention on these forums of a D3 recovery point failing - if there are limits in offroad use surely someone on here would have found them...?
As for the 2 "rated" points - I'd be careful where and by whom they are installed as it might affect warranty if someone starts bolting things to your chassis....
I've been looking at the specs for the G4 challenge D3s and it doesn't look like they fit any additional or upgraded recovery points. There's a winch in the front but I'm sure at some point one of them must have needed recovery from the rear. If LR didn't see fit to upgrade its G4s, then I don't think any of us mere mortals should have anything to worry about, right? Any G4 owners want to chime in?
10th Jun 2008 6:49 am
hernan1304
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Looked into the D3 manual and it's funny what they say:
1) the tow points are designed for onroad recovery only
2) if you want to use them for offroad recovery, you should learn to do it properly at lrexperience.com ....
I guess 1 is covering themselves legally and 2 is what you can actually do...?
Shackles will have a SWL rating on them, but not the actual fixed hooks or eyes.
It's an insurance thing I suppose.
I'd get back to Eureka and say to them 'show me where it states officially on your hooks on yor vehicle tat they are 'rated' for a snatch recovery?"Have a nice day!
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