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StornowaySA
Member Since: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Adelaide
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I did the second of four 4WD Training Courses offered by Eureka 4WD Training here in Perth (beginner, Sand, Bush, Advanced; excellent day out up along the power line tracks near Mundarring; great fun and the Disco was sensational - esp on muddy down hill tracks! I want to do the Advanced course and was told I would need two rated recovery points front and rear.....anyone here have such a set up? I have the standard "tow" point at the front and the Mitchell Bros tow bar at the rear. I'm adding the ARB Bull bar next weekend. Will it have two rated recovery points? What about the rear - will I need to add two additional points and where?
cheers
Chris MY2010 D4 HSE 3.0, e-diff, 19inch MTR's; LLAMS Height adjustor, LR f & r light guards, LR side steps, LR bright finish side door mouldings; LR/Mantec G4 front bash plate, LR G4 Winch kit, Warn 9500lb Winch; GOE compressor guard, Uniden UHF, LR bright finish roof rails, LR G4 driving light kit, LR G4 ladder, 4 x extra rear compartment 12V sockets, Traxide dual battery system and Optima Yellowtop battery, ORS drawer system / fridge slide, LED rear compartment lighting.
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 25th May 2008 12:35 pm |
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DG
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 The vehicle has (over) rated recovery points as standard ...why would you need anymore? 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 25th May 2008 12:37 pm |
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StornowaySA
Member Since: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Adelaide
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They say I cant come on the course without two recovery points front and rear.....their comments not mine. MY2010 D4 HSE 3.0, e-diff, 19inch MTR's; LLAMS Height adjustor, LR f & r light guards, LR side steps, LR bright finish side door mouldings; LR/Mantec G4 front bash plate, LR G4 Winch kit, Warn 9500lb Winch; GOE compressor guard, Uniden UHF, LR bright finish roof rails, LR G4 driving light kit, LR G4 ladder, 4 x extra rear compartment 12V sockets, Traxide dual battery system and Optima Yellowtop battery, ORS drawer system / fridge slide, LED rear compartment lighting.
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| 25th May 2008 12:41 pm |
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DG
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Oh I don't doubt it ...but rather an odd request. The ARB bars front or rear don't appear to include additional recovery points in the spec shown on their website. It maybe worth just clarifying the request as I can't think of many applications whereby the existing points aren't suitable. 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 25th May 2008 12:53 pm |
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Ken
Member Since: 20 Feb 2006
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I'd find a different training center they dont appear to be up with the times
That said its their training so their rules although that don't mean they are right / wrong (Many ways to skin a cat) and perhaps not too conversant with D3/LR3 recovery techniques
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| 25th May 2008 12:59 pm |
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StornowaySA
Member Since: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Adelaide
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hmmm, ok, I'll see if I can pursuade them! MY2010 D4 HSE 3.0, e-diff, 19inch MTR's; LLAMS Height adjustor, LR f & r light guards, LR side steps, LR bright finish side door mouldings; LR/Mantec G4 front bash plate, LR G4 Winch kit, Warn 9500lb Winch; GOE compressor guard, Uniden UHF, LR bright finish roof rails, LR G4 driving light kit, LR G4 ladder, 4 x extra rear compartment 12V sockets, Traxide dual battery system and Optima Yellowtop battery, ORS drawer system / fridge slide, LED rear compartment lighting.
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| 25th May 2008 1:40 pm |
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Desert Traveller
Member Since: 06 Aug 2006
Location: The Gabba - QLD
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And how do they determine that a recovery point is "rated". Also "rated" to what? Having been in the training area, only an "engineer" can rate a recovery point. But in effect there is NO such thing. I don't know or any vehicle manufacturer or bull bar manufacturer rating a point for dynamic recovery. The "rating" is individual assessment.
I could be wrong as I haven't done any training recently to the current Australian Standards. I would be happy to hear from others regarding legalities of these assessments. 06 TDV6 SE with many LR and after-market extras. Used only on weekends and trips out west.
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| 25th May 2008 10:17 pm |
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DG
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The "Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986" would determine a spec for this from LR in the UK ...but I can't find the figure at the mo 
Suffice to say that the following official video gives a good indication though 
&feature=related 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 25th May 2008 10:48 pm |
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d34me
Member Since: 08 May 2008
Location: Kilmore
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I asked my dealer a few years ago about the recovery points front and rear, if they were for off road recovery, and he led me to the car manual. It doesn't actually say that they are for off road recovery, but then again, it doesn't say they aren't for off road recovery. Does anyone really know? What is the official word? What are they actually rated at? I mean, I have been using them, but I am always a little bit cautious. Disco 3, Gold TDV6 HSE, rear e diff, kaymar rear bar, ARB bullbar with front parking sensors, Warn winch, 110L auxiliary tank, dual battery, GME UHF, Lightforce spotties, Cooper ST's, LR snorkel, Expedition roof rack.
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| 25th May 2008 10:50 pm |
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DG
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The official snatch recovery rating is 6 ton's  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 25th May 2008 10:54 pm |
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d34me
Member Since: 08 May 2008
Location: Kilmore
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DG wrote:The official snatch recovery rating is 6 ton's
Is that front and back? Disco 3, Gold TDV6 HSE, rear e diff, kaymar rear bar, ARB bullbar with front parking sensors, Warn winch, 110L auxiliary tank, dual battery, GME UHF, Lightforce spotties, Cooper ST's, LR snorkel, Expedition roof rack.
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| 25th May 2008 11:00 pm |
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DG
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It doesn't stipulate that ...but I can't see how it would be different 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 25th May 2008 11:03 pm |
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disco4x4au
Member Since: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Perth
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The ARB bull bar doesn't have recovery points due to the crush cans fitted for air-bag compliance. You could ask them if they can fit a modified set of recovery points to the mounting brackets - they seemed to think it was too hard when I asked them though
According to the CCDA (Cross Country Drivers Association), you can have two each end - fitted with a minimum of 4 x 8mm high tensile bolts - or one fitted with 12mm bolts. But quite a few organisations will insist on two front, two rear. Apparently to do with insurance, although I've never actually seen where this is stated.
I had some made up and fitted to the chassis rails just to appease the scrutineers - in reality they're too impractical to use, as they're quite some distance from the ends of the vehicle.
Cheers,
Gordon ex - 2006 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, with lots of stuff - R.I.P.
ex - 2009 D3 TDV6 SE, silver, had lots of stuff too!
Now - 2010 RRS 3.0 TDV6, rimini red, 18" rims + Cooper LTZ, rear eLocker, Spider tuning box, GOE protection plates and rock sliders, GOE 3way shortened rods.
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| 25th May 2008 11:50 pm |
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caverD3
Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
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With the mitchel hitch you should get a tongue and shackle to place in the tongue receiver as it then pulls straight from the towing eye. “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
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| 26th May 2008 12:34 am |
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StornowaySA
Member Since: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Adelaide
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Yes, done that - still only 1 rear though. Think I'll just find another Trainer...  MY2010 D4 HSE 3.0, e-diff, 19inch MTR's; LLAMS Height adjustor, LR f & r light guards, LR side steps, LR bright finish side door mouldings; LR/Mantec G4 front bash plate, LR G4 Winch kit, Warn 9500lb Winch; GOE compressor guard, Uniden UHF, LR bright finish roof rails, LR G4 driving light kit, LR G4 ladder, 4 x extra rear compartment 12V sockets, Traxide dual battery system and Optima Yellowtop battery, ORS drawer system / fridge slide, LED rear compartment lighting.
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| 26th May 2008 6:03 am |
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