Member Since: 11 Nov 2012
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 78
Replace FUEL belt with TIMING BELT at 40k 10yrs?
Father's D4 3l has under 40k miles.
It is over 10yrs old a 59 reg.
Maintenance says 7yrs or 72000miles/112000km
Got some quotes from independents here in Yorkshire for £678 with VAT including AUX belt.
Another is £300 for fuel belt and £456 for timing and AUX belt.
I was told by latter garage not to bother but in doubt. Apparently it will not damage car when it goes. I read on here that it has a timing to the belt even though it will not physically damage car.
Opinions please?
Also
What about genuine vs aftermarket parts?
23rd Jan 2020 12:30 pm
L319
Member Since: 14 Dec 2013
Location: Herefordshire
Posts: 2083
I understand from reading previous threads, that a timing belt failure can mean a new engine, valves etc do clash.
23rd Jan 2020 12:51 pm
Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
Posts: 20841
The belt is known to break up, and break through the belt covers, fuel pipes and wiring loom. Much more expensive than £300 to repair
Member Since: 15 Jun 2018
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 1729
I had belts done by LR Main dealer back in October. Then 2 days later it was recovered back to them after loud rattling noises developed.
Turned out to be a retaining tensioner bolt had sheared on the HPFP belt on the back of the engine.
They advised that whilst not advisable to let it happen, if the belt had come off then the engine would just stop, no damage done.
but further reading on here suggests that both the front and back belts are timed, and I also wouldn't like to lose fuel pressure suddenly at speed.
for peace of mind I would get both timing belts done at the same time.2011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
23rd Jan 2020 1:07 pm
Kilovolt
Member Since: 29 Jun 2015
Location: South Derbyshire
Posts: 1063
Not sure if you have a quote from these guys but many have rated them as good on here.
Just a thought "Track day running - Don't put your foot back on the accelerator until your absolutely sure you don't have to take it off again"
Current Ride: D4 XS Commercial Baltic Blue SDV6 fully loaded with heated everything
Track Days: BMW E36 M3 Evolution MY 1996 (3.2 Litre 377 BHP sat in 1,250 Kgs of car, with a pro safety cage and some serious braking power)
23rd Jan 2020 1:29 pm
karlosbu
Member Since: 02 Sep 2008
Location: Worcestershire
Posts: 335
D4 (3.0 SDV6) timing belt is 112,000 miles (not 72,000) or 7 years whichever sooner I think?
Mine needs doing in March, will get both belts including idlers on from belt too (no point not doing these too).
Karl
D4 HSE Santorini Black MY13
BMW 520d SE Touring - sold (Hated by kids and SWMBO)
D3 GS Stornaway Gray MY08 - sold (was still going at 180K)
D2 TD5 Auto Buckingham Blue MY99 - sold
D1 200 Tdi Firefox Red MY93 - sold
23rd Jan 2020 1:50 pm
bmbmdmb
Member Since: 11 Nov 2012
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 78
Thanks all.
Doing the timing belt due to age of belt without question. I have seen the damage a belt does from photos on this site etc.
I had a look at the York garage but only discounted due to distance, but I might reconsider.
Anyone used Maltings east of Doncaster or Ridgeways of Rotherham? Both seemed to know what they were talking about.
I approached a couple of dealers first. Doncaster still have not given a price after 3 weeks.
Wakefield wanted £1700 for the whole 7 year service, most of which was inspecting and oils and filters , all of which have been done by myself.
Anyone recommended genuine or aftermarket parts?
Fuel belt. I was leaning to get it done just so you don't get stranded as I will not last 7yrs or 112k miles before next change.
Thanks
23rd Jan 2020 3:45 pm
karlosbu
Member Since: 02 Sep 2008
Location: Worcestershire
Posts: 335
Local Land Rover dealer quoted me £695 for the cam belt service on its
own, that’s their Land Rover fixed price cost.
Cheers,
Karl
D4 HSE Santorini Black MY13
BMW 520d SE Touring - sold (Hated by kids and SWMBO)
D3 GS Stornaway Gray MY08 - sold (was still going at 180K)
D2 TD5 Auto Buckingham Blue MY99 - sold
D1 200 Tdi Firefox Red MY93 - sold
23rd Jan 2020 4:11 pm
gvw
Member Since: 16 Jan 2012
Location: South Yorkshire
Posts: 872
bmbmdmb wrote:
Anyone used Maltings east of Doncaster or Ridgeways of Rotherham? Both seemed to know what they were talking about.
A relative used Ridgeways a couple of times but will never use them again - enough said!
I travel to JAS in York and collect a courtesy car then go and collect it a couple of days later and have been very happy to date
Prior to this I used GS in Wakefield until they started not caring
23rd Jan 2020 8:39 pm
Kilovolt
Member Since: 29 Jun 2015
Location: South Derbyshire
Posts: 1063
bmbmdmb wrote:
Anyone recommended genuine or aftermarket parts?
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Orders over £100 I believe "AF4LRP"
https://www.advancedfactors.co.uk/"Track day running - Don't put your foot back on the accelerator until your absolutely sure you don't have to take it off again"
Current Ride: D4 XS Commercial Baltic Blue SDV6 fully loaded with heated everything
Track Days: BMW E36 M3 Evolution MY 1996 (3.2 Litre 377 BHP sat in 1,250 Kgs of car, with a pro safety cage and some serious braking power)
23rd Jan 2020 8:49 pm
RogB
Member Since: 15 Jun 2018
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 1729
karlosbu wrote:
Local Land Rover dealer quoted me £695 for the cam belt service on its
own, that’s their Land Rover fixed price cost.
Cheers,
Karl
I used what is now JCT600 LR in Doncaster on Wheatley Hall Rd and paid the fixed price as above plus fixed price main service. The cam belt service included the rear belt as well. All in cost £1190 for both cam belt and main service.
Used them mainly for convenience as they are close to work and I got a courtesy car for 2 days (and again for a over a week straight after due to snapped tensioner bolt )
Maltings have quoted my £199.99 for my next minor service when its due but no courtesy car. This undercuts LR fixed price by £1002011 D4 XS 305 MY12 - gone but not forgotten
24th Jan 2020 8:05 am
bmbmdmb
Member Since: 11 Nov 2012
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 78
Thanks all.
Maltings then.
Is the autobox gear oil a DIY job. Quoted £400 for filter with sump and new gear oil and flush of torque converter. Parts and oil are £130.
I heard issues of sealing the new Britpart metal aftermarket sump. Opinions? I have trawled through a few threads about options already. If it is ready job I will do myself. I have the sealey 3l oil filler and access to a compressor if I do DIY flush.
24th Jan 2020 3:02 pm
bmbmdmb
Member Since: 11 Nov 2012
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 78
Update
Update
Had the timing belt aux belt and fuel belt changed. The garage advised correctly to get the fuel belt done at same time. On inspection I managed to snap the fuel belt when flexed over 180 degrees. It looked uncracked. Garage said that another customer had fuel belt go on motorway. A piston was damaged from sudden loss of fuel pressure.
The vehicle is quieter and smoother.
The gearbox was flushed and a new gear sump pan and filter put on.
Well worth doing.
23rd Feb 2020 9:45 pm
M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
Location: Notts.
Posts: 8225
How can a piston be damaged through loss of fuel pressure?It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
24th Feb 2020 5:21 pm
bmbmdmb
Member Since: 11 Nov 2012
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 78
I'm passing on info I have myself been told by Maltings garage mechanic himself.
The vehicle in question with the damaged piston (defo not talking about the timing belt failing, but fuel belt failure ) was doing 70mph on motorway.
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I had already paid for work doing and didn't need convincing so didn't question veracity of the story.
I guess it is akin to switching engine off at high speed. I would have thought everything would have ticked along steadily to a standstill and without damage ?
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