Eddyhitler
Member Since: 12 Apr 2014
Location: Blackpool
Posts: 13
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| Re-register a commercial as a private car? |
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Hi,
Does anyone have any idea how you would go about re-registering a D4 commercial as a private car? Also the costs of doing so?
Many thanks,
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 24th Dec 2019 12:53 pm |
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chugga90
Member Since: 13 Aug 2014
Location: Buckinghamshire
Posts: 434
 
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It’s my understanding that once the category it is registered with is applied, that is what you have for the rest of its life.
Could be wrong, but that’s what I understand as the case? Discovery commercial tdv6 auto 2013
Volkswagen t6 lwb Kombi dsg 4motion 2018
Volkswagen t5.1 lwb single cab tipper 2013
Discovery commercial sdv6 auto 2014 gone and not really missed.
Range Rover Tdv8 gone
Freelander 2 I6 very sadly gone
VW t5 Dsg gone and missed
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| 24th Dec 2019 1:46 pm |
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M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
Location: Notts.
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It can e done quite straightforward but there are regulations to comply with which I may not be fully conversant with, if for instance side windows have been made or fitted, if rear seating has been made, wether or not VAT has been paid.
The regulations used to be disregarded once the vehicle was 5 years old but on a sliding scale up to then. Also it depends on what it is taxed as now and it’s weight carrying capacity as to how much the VED will change.
It is an offence to have windows behind the driver if it is taxed as goods, goods or farmers goods can be less VED than private depending on weight carrying capacity.
This legislation is continually changing and you must check with the appropriate licensing authority, but do your homework first, for instance a JCB is less and has some exclusions if it is taxed as a loader instead of a digger  It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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| 24th Dec 2019 2:30 pm |
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lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
Posts: 7274
 
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Check road tax costs as well, think commercial cheaper?
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| 24th Dec 2019 8:30 pm |
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Kilovolt
Member Since: 29 Jun 2015
Location: South Derbyshire
Posts: 1020
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Commercial March last year was £250. Methinks an equivalent 7 seater D4 is getting on for double that - not sure (depending on the year and Euro 5 or 6 etc.) "Track day running - Don't put your foot back on the accelerator until your absolutely sure you don't have to take it off again"
Current Ride: D4 XS Commercial Baltic Blue SDV6 fully loaded with heated everything 
Track Days: BMW E36 M3 Evolution MY 1996 (3.2 Litre 377 BHP sat in 1,250 Kgs of car, with a pro safety cage and some serious braking power)
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| 25th Dec 2019 11:37 am |
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Timbo1975
Member Since: 25 Nov 2019
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 43
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Firstly why would you want to?
Secondly, Commercial is around £240 /yr tax and car is £~550.
A lot are running around with seats in the back and mostly without the plastic window blanks, the MOT man checks the seats and seat belts and then passes it.
One of those loop holes.
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| 26th Dec 2019 11:59 am |
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Dannyson
Member Since: 15 Oct 2014
Location: Newquay, Cornwall
Posts: 820
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It might pass the MOT - but I don't suppose they check what 'Road Tax' (VED) it should be paying (I may be wrong - but doubt it). Having previous experience with insurance company's looking for a 'get out clause' - if they find any 'legal' discrepancy - such as the wrong VED being paid - then they refuse the claim.
For the unwary - it could cost them ...... their future, if the worse was to happen....  2016MY Discovery HSE - Black
2009MY Toyota Land Cruiser (Lc4) - Black
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| 26th Dec 2019 11:53 pm |
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galwaygreen
Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: plymouth
Posts: 6525
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guess you would need to notify insurance of " modifications"
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| 27th Dec 2019 12:28 am |
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Dannyson
Member Since: 15 Oct 2014
Location: Newquay, Cornwall
Posts: 820
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Yup ... my son-in-law has done that - cost him an extra £100 - but he's still to do the VED stuff....
It amazes me how much you have to 'prod' along mid 40 year olds to 'keep within the law' thus protecting themselves and there 'loved ones'.....
It winds my daughter up big time - but surely its the right thing to do? - especially being ex 'old bill' - 'oh don't keep on Dad'.... she says ....my wife says 'just leave them alone' - but how can you when you know they are vulnerable.....because they have left themselves open to loosing everything if things go wrong!?
Its a pain in the  - but we all know who they will be coming to when they are thousands....maybe millions of pounds in court compensation/costs...etc.... etc... 2016MY Discovery HSE - Black
2009MY Toyota Land Cruiser (Lc4) - Black
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| 27th Dec 2019 1:30 am |
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Sea Raider
Member Since: 01 Nov 2016
Location: None
Posts: 4450
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I presume the Commercial doesn't have any of the airbags in the rear fitted to the private models?
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| 27th Dec 2019 9:42 am |
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Kilovolt
Member Since: 29 Jun 2015
Location: South Derbyshire
Posts: 1020
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Correct.
Only the front two airbags. No rear electric windows (unless you fit them  ) and the logbook states commercial with two seats. You have an accident with 7 onboard and you are in serious trouble over and above the risk to life (i.e. insurers and the plod).
Just saying .... "Track day running - Don't put your foot back on the accelerator until your absolutely sure you don't have to take it off again"
Current Ride: D4 XS Commercial Baltic Blue SDV6 fully loaded with heated everything
Track Days: BMW E36 M3 Evolution MY 1996 (3.2 Litre 377 BHP sat in 1,250 Kgs of car, with a pro safety cage and some serious braking power)
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| 27th Dec 2019 10:47 am |
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Sea Raider
Member Since: 01 Nov 2016
Location: None
Posts: 4450
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I did wonder as I have stripped out the full interior and only the headlining remains in place
Airbags all over the place and sensors on just about every panel.
Sold all my 7 seats to a guy who was doing a conversion from Commercial
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| 27th Dec 2019 12:10 pm |
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lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
Posts: 7274
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Dannyson wrote:Yup ... my son-in-law has done that - cost him an extra £100 - but he's still to do the VED stuff....
It amazes me how much you have to 'prod' along mid 40 year olds to 'keep within the law' thus protecting themselves and there 'loved ones'.....
It winds my daughter up big time - but surely its the right thing to do? - especially being ex 'old bill' - 'oh don't keep on Dad'.... she says ....my wife says 'just leave them alone' - but how can you when you know they are vulnerable.....because they have left themselves open to loosing everything if things go wrong!?
Its a pain in the - but we all know who they will be coming to when they are thousands....maybe millions of pounds in court compensation/costs...etc.... etc...
I was trying to explain just this scenario to the wife the other day, saying if there was an issue everything we own, cars/house/savings/pensions the lot would all be at risk if things went wrong, she eventually got what I was trying to say.
I also think it is an age thing, as you age you appreciate what you have and how much it took to get them and how easy it could be to lose them.
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| 27th Dec 2019 12:38 pm |
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Timbo1975
Member Since: 25 Nov 2019
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 43
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Kilovolt wrote:Correct.
Only the front two airbags. No rear electric windows -unless you fit them
The electric windows / motors / switches etc are all in place, but the plug isn't plugged into the motor inside the door.
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| 27th Dec 2019 1:22 pm |
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Kilovolt
Member Since: 29 Jun 2015
Location: South Derbyshire
Posts: 1020
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Ask me how I know that to be true 
A few pence to resolve 
The motor wiring loom plug is actually cut off (at the factory) and the motor socket gunked up with silicon/adhesive or summat. Bit of patience and voila 8)
Two more posts to go to my virgin 500 count  (a mere whipper-snapper to those on into the thousands)  "Track day running - Don't put your foot back on the accelerator until your absolutely sure you don't have to take it off again"
Current Ride: D4 XS Commercial Baltic Blue SDV6 fully loaded with heated everything
Track Days: BMW E36 M3 Evolution MY 1996 (3.2 Litre 377 BHP sat in 1,250 Kgs of car, with a pro safety cage and some serious braking power)
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