Member Since: 05 Mar 2011
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Sales down 46% in China..here why
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I took the first pic in May before the reduction of vehicle import tax. The tax dropped 25% to 10% .so a 15%reduction.this took affect in july at which point Tesla dropped all prices by 15%. Land rover dealers did not. The second screen shot i took today. (Note first price reduction is due to offering a lower spec model)
Many people held off buying a car and this caused a sales drop. They still arnt buying just to add 15% more profit to the dealers.
I have tried to buy a new one.
1st dealer. Didnt call back
2nd waited in dealer 15mins waiting for sales to come.. got bored..left.
3rd dealer only wanted to sell what he had in stock. Saying a new order would take at least half a year...seemed odd when workers dont have enough work.
When you are planning to drop 300k (they cost a lot here)on a car it shouldnt be this hard.
So for the meantime I have stopped looking at LR.
But the reality is merc is no better. Tried to book a new g63(I plan to change the masarati and the g seems fun) they wanted a 30% pre order fee..on a 250K car thats a bit cheeky..
So...the father in law will have to wait a bit for his hand me down d4It is better to have and not need it then need and not have it.
17th Oct 2018 7:22 am
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
Seems wherever you go in the world there is a common thread!DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
17th Oct 2018 7:33 am
Someone-Gone
Member Since: 21 Dec 2015
Location: Gone
Posts: 5117
You’ve got to ask the question if LR will still be here in 10 years time if they continue in this vein.
17th Oct 2018 8:06 am
dantheman
Member Since: 12 Mar 2010
Location: Essex
Posts: 1739
It's OK J77 will keep their sales going!! Today is the oldest you've been and the youngest you'll ever be again.
17th Oct 2018 8:24 am
Littlewill
Member Since: 14 Sep 2015
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 484
The outlook for the brand as a whole looks bleak. On the way to work this morning I passed an Evoke and a Discovery sport and still cant tell the difference. At the traffic lights I got sat behind a Velar and they are just awful too. Lets hope the new defender isnt just aimed at getting more hairdressers to the salon if its raining outside!
17th Oct 2018 8:38 am
LeighW D3 Decade
Member Since: 31 Jan 2006
Location: Brisbane, AUS
Posts: 920
Littlewill wrote:
The outlook for the brand as a whole looks bleak. On the way to work this morning I passed an Evoke and a Discovery sport and still cant tell the difference. At the traffic lights I got sat behind a Velar and they are just awful too. Lets hope the new defender isnt just aimed at getting more hairdressers to the salon if its raining outside!
Hard to argue with this...LeighW
The old girl is on her third engine...
* first ran a bearing (design failure in original engine)
* second had a failure of the water outlet on top of the engine (pls check yours)
17th Oct 2018 8:45 am
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14436
Problem is, LR is in a crowded market with little differentiation and the unique USP they had of real off road ability is meaningless to the urbanists and yummy mummys.D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
17th Oct 2018 8:46 am
Someone-Gone
Member Since: 21 Dec 2015
Location: Gone
Posts: 5117
The waiting room at your local JLR dealership?
This one got a D5 for her gravel drive.
17th Oct 2018 8:53 am
Shaun R.
Member Since: 13 Sep 2016
Location: Warlingham, Surrey
Posts: 146
Littlewill wrote:
The outlook for the brand as a whole looks bleak. On the way to work this morning I passed an Evoke and a Discovery sport and still cant tell the difference. At the traffic lights I got sat behind a Velar and they are just awful too. Lets hope the new defender isnt just aimed at getting more hairdressers to the salon if its raining outside!
I thought I was the only one who doesn't like the Velar!!
I sat behind a D5 at traffic lights, never realised how tiny the brake lights look.....bright but tiny.
Used to be that a Land Rover would catch my eye, don't notice anything younger than a D4 nowadays.
17th Oct 2018 9:02 am
Someone-Gone
Member Since: 21 Dec 2015
Location: Gone
Posts: 5117
The Velar is a total abortion imho. The car is far too long, it just looks so odd. A longer version of the Ewoke. I did look inside one at the dealership and the DS had more space. Crossed my mind for a millisecond when I was looking to buy, then I slapped myself in the face.
17th Oct 2018 9:11 am
kajtzu
Member Since: 10 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 6759
The Dundonian wrote:
The waiting room at your local JLR dealership?
This one got a D5 for her gravel drive.
Is that the spice girls... moms I mean?
17th Oct 2018 9:15 am
DG Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50978
Re: Sales down 46% in China..here why
amazing wrote:
The tax dropped 25% to 10% .so a 15%reduction.this took affect in july
I understood it dropped from 25% to 15%
JLR have recognised the tough price competition since July, so even if it's not reflected in the listed prices, surely there would be some discounting taking place.
...and Tesla reportedly increased their prices due to an increased levy in US built
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Meanwhile, California-based electric carmaker Tesla was hampered by the higher levy on U.S.-built vehicles after it was forced to raise prices in China by 20% to 30%.
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23833
I think the Velar looks great. If I were in the market for an AWD estate with good ground clearance, it would be high on my check list. I’ve no idea how much they cost though!2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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17th Oct 2018 9:45 am
amazing
Member Since: 05 Mar 2011
Location: chengdu
Posts: 1542
Ooops yes 15%
The dealers do offer a discount within this 10% so no real discount as they are still on old prices. and only if you pay with a loan....interest brings it to full old price.
They also offer to"help" you save on your tax by giving a receipt at a lower price(dont know who the difference goes to)
All in all makes you want to walk away.It is better to have and not need it then need and not have it.
17th Oct 2018 9:46 am
adam
Member Since: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Home and Happy
Posts: 6917
LR probably selling more cars per year on average now than when the D3 was launched 14 years ago, the market dynamics relative to demand have changed and they are responding to that demand.
Where I live you can't help falling over Evoques / DS's and Velars (and comparable types from other brands)
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