Good find there BLF. I wonder how relevant that would be to the current discussion. Would applying for the patents in July 16 indicate that work had started on those systems or that work had been completed? The bench seat is allegedly already incorporated in the D5. :thumbs:
Espacenet if you go there lists almost the same stuff....item for item
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4th Sep 2016 5:46 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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On the D3. It got lost in the facelifting/new modelling (delete as appropriate).
Here's the RR one, just under and to right of dolphin.
4th Sep 2016 5:48 pm
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Lost for Words wrote:
Thus the expected conduct for either scenario could be considered reasonably similar.
Get real 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
4th Sep 2016 5:53 pm
LT
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I'm a huge fan of the D3/4 tail gate. It suits my needs almost perfectly. However, I'm well aware that myself and the many others on this forum who share my opinion are in the minority.
For the majority, the current tail gate restricts access to the rear of the load area and simply isn't used as it is by us "whining old codgers". The sliding floor was the solution to the access problem, but was costly and flawed in that it created other restrictions.
I'm trying to remain optimistic about the event platform being a good solution and the D5 in general. Whatever, I'm sure it will appeal to the majority and sell in large numbers.
I do accept that JLR is a very different company to the LR that designed the D3 and all good things come to an end.
Having said all of this, I do see a lot of new D4's on the road. So they're clearly still a popular vehicle. Perhaps I just don't notice the almost universally shaped other large "SUV's" as much
If the D5 doesn't suit me, I'll perhaps buy a used large saloon to use alongside my new D4 to keep its mileage down. The new Defender or another marque may be the answer in the future, but I could well end up keeping the D4 for a very long time.
BTW, I'm certain that a flat load space isn't possible in the L322 FFRR.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
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4th Sep 2016 6:00 pm
Red Merle
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DSL wrote:
On the D3. It got lost in the facelifting/new modelling (delete as appropriate).
Here's the RR one, just under and to right of dolphin.
Thanks!
There's good news though Ben and I have been to check it out and he's just pointed out that that even an early 16MY D4 has it too...
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4th Sep 2016 6:07 pm
LT
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DSL wrote:
On the D3. It got lost in the facelifting/new modelling (delete as appropriate).
Here's the RR one, just under and to right of dolphin.
Flat bumpers to use for the placing of beverage containers are sadly missed by me and lamented on an almost weekly basis.
I loved the design of the original D3, my 2006 HSE suited my needs so well. Which is why I kept it for nearly 150k miles.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
4th Sep 2016 6:07 pm
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I bet there's a few D4/D5 ditherers having a rethink now, as this is clearly more of a dealbreaker Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
4th Sep 2016 6:08 pm
LT
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Red Merle wrote:
DSL wrote:
On the D3. It got lost in the facelifting/new modelling (delete as appropriate).
Here's the RR one, just under and to right of dolphin.
Thanks!
There's good news though Ben and I have been to check it out and he's just pointed out that that even an early 16MY D4 has it too
Not the front bumpers though. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
4th Sep 2016 6:09 pm
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Nooooo... 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
4th Sep 2016 6:13 pm
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I Love my D4 but its a bit old hat now, I want something with modern technology and better engines which I'm hoping the D5 will have but I also must have a decent workable load space no question. I realised yesterday I don't actually care about the tailgate being one piece its the function the Lower tailgate gives me that is so desirable for my situation and lifestyle. The new event platforms design and engineering is going to be key.
3 hours round sherwood pines this morning and the conversation was mainly around the D5 with my kids rather than friggin pokemon and its apple iPhone announcement week too thats how important this is MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
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4th Sep 2016 6:17 pm
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LT wrote:
Not the front bumpers though.
That's the important one, you wouldn't want to have to walk too far to post the flattened beer cans in the intercooler slot when the recipient isn't looking.
4th Sep 2016 6:22 pm
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LT wrote:
I'm a huge fan of the D3/4 tail gate.
So am I ...we spent this afternoon in Windsor at the Concours of Elegance ..then went to Runnymede and sat by the Thames. Used the tailgate as our perch, drinking coffee watching the boaters and lovers go by ...it was wonderful.
When I get a D5 I'll sit on the activity platform ....will there be a noticeable difference 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
4th Sep 2016 6:33 pm
LT
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Looking at the concept video, I think there will be a significant difference. Perhaps not for the sole purpose of sitting, the event platform might we'll be superior for this, but the current tailgate has other uses aside. For me, it makes life easier and safer for transporting dogs, loading and particularly unloading logs, plus numerous other uses all of which have been listed in recent months.
As I said though, I'm trying to remain optimistic that the event platform will be a good alternative. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
4th Sep 2016 6:40 pm
Red Merle
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DG: If all you need is a seat, then you won't notice the difference. It'll give you somewhere to contemplate the several thousand pound's that LR parted you with for the option (for something that used to be free).
However, if you want to use it for the 101 other uses that the lower tailgate had, from somewhere safe to stand to unload from the roof, to somewhere to put a bicycle to a decent working height to pump the tyres up then, yes, I think you'll notice the difference.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
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4th Sep 2016 6:49 pm
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I might worry about it in ten years, when there's an outside possibility of being able to afford a five year old one and theeeeennn......???
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Ben and I have been to check it out and he's just pointed out that that even an early 16MY D4 has it too...
