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DG
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Couple of nice vids from our friends down under ...testing both engines with good all round comments ...the 2.0 won overall in the 4x4 multi vehicle test 
21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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 18th Mar 2018 1:19 pm |
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Tripe
Member Since: 28 Jun 2015
Location: Tasmania
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Toyota Hilux in on track to sell 43,000 units in Australia this year or over 3,500 units a month and is the number 1 selling vehicle in Australia at the moment.
40% of new car sales are now SUV’s.
What I can tell, LR are selling around 250 D5’s a month.
I just noticed March sales show LRA are down about 23% compare to this time last year. (Jag -4%)
Why can it win these awards, yet the potential 4wd purchaser is not Buying it?
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| 18th Mar 2018 11:28 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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Great videos 
“Loss of command driving position”, “now a luxury vehicle”, “more streamlined design “. 
Fantastic if that’s what you want though. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
Last edited by LT on 19th Mar 2018 10:02 am. Edited 1 time in total
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| 18th Mar 2018 11:45 pm |
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DG
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I expected nothing less than all negatives  .....glad to see that those in the video have a more balanced and objective view though 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 19th Mar 2018 2:23 am |
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Tripe
Member Since: 28 Jun 2015
Location: Tasmania
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Out of the two of us, I don’t have any vested interest in trying to sell LR products.
The D5 could’nt find a root in a bunch of mangroves
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| 19th Mar 2018 4:21 am |
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DiscoStu
Member Since: 09 Apr 2006
Location: London
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I think LR's focus lays elsewhere. For instance, more people live in Shanghai than Australia - you can see why Australia gets left with Ute's.... Disco 5 HSE Lux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peyiqaJrmMU
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| 19th Mar 2018 5:39 am |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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I wondered where the “objective” bit was going to come in, but it’s worth waiting until half way through the second video for that bit. They do at least then acknowledge that it’s now much more of a road car and at least they mentioned the poor off road visibility due to the high and very rounded bonnet. The new cameras are a big improvement on the old ones, but they’re no substitute for being able to see where the front corners of the car are.
Did I understand correctly that they found a big improvement with the locking rear diff? 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 19th Mar 2018 5:52 am |
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lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
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Tripe wrote:
Why can it win these awards, yet the potential 4wd purchaser is not Buying it?
Im sure you have heard the old saying Lies Lies and damned statistics 
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| 19th Mar 2018 6:55 am |
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DG
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Tripe wrote:Out of the two of us, I don’t have any vested interest in trying to sell LR products.
Why do I have a vested interest? 
Interesting that you quote March sales figures and we are half way through the month  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 19th Mar 2018 7:52 am |
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MarkOne
Member Since: 23 Jul 2011
Location: County Antrim
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Big shares in LR DG and its only coming out now
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| 19th Mar 2018 10:02 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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DG wrote:I expected nothing less than all negatives .....glad to see that those in the video have a more balanced and objective view though
My comments weren't negatives, for many owners the loss of the points I highlighted will be seen as big positives. Which is of course why LR made the changes. Unfortunately, myself and a few others, still want a rectangular box on wheels, with a split tail gate. I fully accept that we are the minority and LR has moved away from that niche market and that the majority want a high up, 7 seater, that rides and drives like a car.
I'm not a fan of the looks of the D5, but for me the Discovery is more of a tool than a thing of beauty, so I'm really not bothered. It certainly wouldn't stop me buying one. Which in the future I may well do, as there's still no replacement (from any marque) for the D4 on the horizon.
As I said, if the D5 suits your needs then that's fanastic. I'm pleased for you. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 19th Mar 2018 10:15 am |
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comedyharvey
Member Since: 03 Jul 2010
Location: Gloucestershire
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^^^
Pretty much my own view. I don’t dislike the D5, I’m just a bit disappointed that it looks more an overgrown car than I would like and has lost any Disco look.
Will I ever get one?, possibly.
. Arthur.
Comedy was a horse, Harvey a dog, both sadly gone. Thought I was choosing a password!
Currently;
Discovery 3 HSE 2009
101" Fwd. Control 1976
Nuffield 10/90 Tractor (10/60 with 6 cylinder conversion) 1964
Previously;
Series III Lightweight. 1976.
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| 19th Mar 2018 11:37 am |
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Tripe
Member Since: 28 Jun 2015
Location: Tasmania
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DG wrote:Tripe wrote:Out of the two of us, I don’t have any vested interest in trying to sell LR products.
Why do I have a vested interest?
Interesting that you quote March sales figures and we are half way through the month
Yep, feb sales fig, march press release
LR must be doing some serious navel gazing at the moment, to turn things around for the D5.
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| 20th Mar 2018 7:57 am |
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scarry
Member Since: 20 Apr 2012
Location: Brisbane
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Tripe wrote:Toyota Hilux in on track to sell 43,000 units in Australia this year or over 3,500 units a month and is the number 1 selling vehicle in Australia at the moment.
40% of new car sales are now SUV’s.
What I can tell, LR are selling around 250 D5’s a month.
I just noticed March sales show LRA are down about 23% compare to this time last year. (Jag -4%)
Why can it win these awards, yet the potential 4wd purchaser is not Buying it?
I will give you two out of many reasons
The dealer network is ridiculous,a few dealers along the coast and thats it.Strike trouble in the bush somewhere,and your in real trouble.The local mechanic won't even bother lifting the bonnet.And it is probably one of the most complicated vehicles on the road,so there are a lot of things that could go wrong.
No accessories,ARB,for one supplier, have said they have no intention to start R&D on any accessories.In Aus,we need solid cargo barriers,Bull bars,etc,etc.
And another,the price is pretty high.Many of the safety features are not standard,so once
added,substantially increase the vehicle price.Some of these features are standard on many $40K vehicles.
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Sorry,land rover,but the other brands,particularly Toyota will continue on,with Land Cruisers 200 selling at a rate of around 12500 per year.And the 70 series at around 8500 per year.
Don't get me wrong,i love my D4,but it is soon up for replacement,and after having LR's for around 19 yrs,they now don't have a vehicle that suits my needs.I need an updated D4,not a RR.
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| 24th Mar 2018 8:32 am |
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Tripe
Member Since: 28 Jun 2015
Location: Tasmania
Posts: 285
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I have always been happy with the reliability of my LR and the D5 should be good as well.
I find servicing can be painful as some dealerships are focused on the climate change believers crowd.
I am more interested in dealing with the mechanic to find out what he found during the service, instead of sitting in leather couches and drinking cappaucinos.
The option list price is ridiculous and when you weigh everything up, it’s just pushes you to look at Toyota LC200 or 70’s all with V8 diesels.
The depreciation on a fully optioned D5 is going to be frightening.
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| 24th Mar 2018 10:19 pm |
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