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bmbmdmb
Member Since: 11 Nov 2012
Location: yorkshire
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Hello, if anyone can answer some of these Qs it would be a great help.
I've read the Bodsy Brake Bible and lots of posts on this excellent forum, but have some questions.
I'm going to clean, inspect the park brake on a D4 2009 model.
To make it easier to answer some or all my questions I'm numbering my Qs
1 on D4 does entering service mode (brake foot pedal pressed up and down after ignition on not started and EPB up and down 3 times also and held within 10s) to enter 'service epb mode' - does this do the same job as an IDS tool command to service epb?
If this backs off the parking brake shoes within rear brake discs what is the purpose of the ratchet that is backed off by the use of a flat screwdriver? Or does this serve another purpose?
2 What is the expected life of the park brake shoes, rear disc? 40k miles seems muted if heavy braking not done. Vehicle has 35k and I've just cleaned all brakes front and back sprayed calipers etc, lubed slide pins and replaced brake hose flexis
Would rear discs shoes for EPB be changed with rear disc and springs other service parts in rear park brake of rear discs?
3 I am considering a obd/IDS tool. I can't justify a really expensive £1000 plus one. What are your opinions on icarsoft 3 and foxwell 680pro. It isn't my car and I was looking for something that would do epb and diagnostics, battery configuration on a 2016, 2018 Jaguar models also. Seems LR and Jaguar use different software.
4 I have had a flashing red (P) light on putting EPB on or off occasionally. The D4 seems prone to erroneous warnings which were connected to the battery state of charge. Openings door I found with multimeter connected caused 5 to them 2 amp of current use for several minutes before ECU went back to sleep mode. Reconnecting battery current jumps to 8amp so near 10A fuse limit on my multimeter
However, this p light flashing seems genuine hence a clean of epb for first time.
Read that a command, ie epb on,/off might not have occurred. This correct?
5 Cleaning EPB shoes - use acetone (,brake cleaner)?
Remove brake dust?
I read there are 3 points to lube around park brake shoes. I saw people using copper slip (this stuff has oil in it that liquifies with heat, would ceramic brake grease or PTFE high melting silicone be better,?,)
Any other parts I need to clean, attend to? This D4 has not been touched on park brake since assembled in factory.
Bedding in mode - there is a way described on here and u tube of entering bed in. Would IDS tool do this to enter this mode and when is this necessary and not needed?
I read it is needed if
- new park brake shoes fitted
- new rear disc
This correct?
What is minimum thickness of friction material on park brake shoes?
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Any other information useful that I missed?
Thank you
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 4th Oct 2022 10:55 pm |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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A gap iid at around £450 is the best daignistic tool.
An autel ap200 white version at £60 is best value, to read codes and much more. Don’t recall anyone using it for brake service yet
Shoes can last the life of the car depending on certain things
Be best to read codes first.
Service mode gives more slack on the cables which makes things much easier.
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| 5th Oct 2022 6:01 am |
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bmbmdmb
Member Since: 11 Nov 2012
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 70
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Thanks for the reply.
I've seen GAP tool. I would probably not use it a lot of the functions it offers. I have VCDS for VAG cars and although diagnostics are comprehensive and have been useful, most of the live data could be read from a cheaper tool. If it was compatible with Jaguars then it would be a no brainer.
Not my car also, so not my money.
Does the gap tool need a laptop or phone?
Thanks
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| 5th Oct 2022 9:52 pm |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
Posts: 10367
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Both phone
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| 5th Oct 2022 9:59 pm |
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Moleshome
Member Since: 15 Oct 2020
Location: Wokingham
Posts: 412
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I've never tried it but can't it also be used with just the Disco display and steering wheel controls?
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| 6th Oct 2022 10:36 am |
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nigethecat
Member Since: 11 Sep 2016
Location: Marnoch
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Yes it can, but much easier to use the free app and do it from your phone... would highly recommend the GAP IID tool... they often come up 2nd hand on here or RRSport.co.uk I want to see the sweets before I get into your windowless van... I'm not stupid!
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| 6th Oct 2022 2:35 pm |
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Captain Crosscheck
Member Since: 03 Sep 2021
Location: Oslo
Posts: 310
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Pete K wrote:An autel ap200 white version at £60 is best value, to read codes and much more. Don’t recall anyone using it for brake service yet.
I tried using mine for brake service, and it had all the bells and whistles for an EPB service, but my EPB module was shagged... However, I do believe it should work satisfyingly.
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| 6th Oct 2022 8:04 pm |
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bmbmdmb
Member Since: 11 Nov 2012
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 70
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EPB (P) flashing - I suspect the shoes need adjustment. On a slope there seemed too much lurch forward once handbrake applied and footbrake release, but just my opinion. EPB held vehicle before park hear engaged. Diagnostics might show some codes.
GAP tool - what can this do for me other than EPB service mode, read and clear diagnostic codes that a diyer likely to use? Battery on D4 2009 is wet, lead acid so doesn't need configuration?
Q about rear park brake - going to fit new rear discs and pads. I will 'bed them in'.
Is it recommended to do an adjustment to the rear park brake ratchet , ie 60nm park brake shoes torqued up on and backed off 8 turns on ratchet a second time, but after the bedding in of the old park brake shoes to the new disc? Or is this overkill?
Thanks
PS I got spare old smartphone but a standalone unit with own screen would be nice, but I know would add expense to an IDS tool.
I was looking at foxwell 680 pro for other car manufacturer's as there are 5 different makes in family. New model coming out so I was split on dedicated land rover IDS tool or a tool that covers several makes. I was put off foxwell 680 pro because I was told by Gendan that it doesn't cover EPB and some other modules as originally advertised. Didn't want to buy and hope an 'update' will come along that are for a lifetime 'ie a couple of years'.
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| 6th Oct 2022 10:29 pm |
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Nutterwatts
Member Since: 12 Aug 2020
Location: Bristol
Posts: 57
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I can confirm the Autel does work for the EPB service mode.
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| 7th Oct 2022 12:52 pm |
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bmbmdmb
Member Since: 11 Nov 2012
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 70
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Thanks for info on Autel. I don't mind spending more, obviously not being a garage I don't want to spend 4 figures £1XXX plus but if the tool does multiple cars then great.
I was looking again at GAP tool, other than maybe air suspension replacement then using tool for calibration of ride height, not sure if the air suspension struts need programming to ECU? Other than this, I can't see a use for all those other features, just like my VCDS for Skoda. If I did then the price would be worth paying looks a comprehensive tool for LR.
Looking at iCarsoft 2022 CR pro model, just because it does diagnostic codes and EPB and other features. Anyone any experience on other makes other than LR.
I have no affiliation btw.
https://ljmcardiagnostics.co.uk/products/i...-scan-tool
There is the icarsoft cr max, again seems to cover more modules and on lots of makes. It is on same site. Anyone got any experience using this?
Thanks
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| 8th Oct 2022 6:55 pm |
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bmbmdmb
Member Since: 11 Nov 2012
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 70
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https://au.sitejabber.com/reviews/icarsoft.com
Answered my own question. There are happy people and unhappy people. One reviewer states issue with LR Evoque and no Jaguar coverage after 2016. DPF manual regeneration seems to be an issue across multiple makes.
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| 8th Oct 2022 10:21 pm |
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