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Getting rid of (feline!) cats
Frustratingly we’ve started getting cats coming into our garden to poo. Any ideas how to keep them at bay whilst not harming our dogs?2020 SDV6 D5 HSE, Carpathian Grey +
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14th May 2019 7:54 pm
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14th May 2019 7:55 pm
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Nice idea, thanks don’t want any more pets though...2020 SDV6 D5 HSE, Carpathian Grey +
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14th May 2019 7:56 pm
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Almost impossible to stop them, maybe leave the dog outside running free will give them other ideas?
Or take away what they crap on to something they dont like Iirc coconut shell works okay.
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14th May 2019 8:05 pm
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Have a word with the neighbours. If that fails get the cats deposits and slap it down on their doorstep. If they don’t like it, they know what to do!
I find it incomprehensible how if a dog craps on your property or elsewhere, there’s Hell to pay, but a cats can crap where it likes? It’s potentially far more dangerous to kids if they come into contact with it. I honesty can’t see what the problem is with returning the crap it to the owner. They can remonstrate, but that’s about it! It’s their animals crap, it’s up to them to dispose of it NOT you!
14th May 2019 8:12 pm
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14th May 2019 8:14 pm
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The Dundonian wrote:
Have a word with the neighbours. If that fails get the cats deposits and slap it down on their doorstep. If they don’t like it, they know what to do!
I find it incomprehensible how if a dog craps on your property or elsewhere, there’s Hell to pay, but a cats can crap where it likes?
The law considers dogs and cats very differently. A cat is considered a free roaming animal and so the "owner" isn't liable in the way that a dog's owner is.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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14th May 2019 8:48 pm
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Interesting article.
“Here’s the thing though, under the Common Law Duty of Care, cat owners have a general duty to take reasonable steps to ensure that their cats do not cause damage to someone’s property or cause injury to anyone.
While the above is true, actual court cases in the UK involving cats causing damage to property such as scratching a car or destroying flower beds are rare but that is more likely because the threat of legal proceedings or an ASBO is enough for the complainant to receive recompense or at least for the cat owner to take steps to prevent further problems arising.
The right to roam comes from the fact that cats were not included in the definition of livestock under the Animals Act 1971.
cats and the law
“This act recognises that cats are less likely than other animals, such as dogs and livestock to cause damage to property and/or injure people. The outcome of this is that the law does not require owners to confine their cats within their property.”
However, as already pointed out, the right to roam is not the carte blanche many cat owners believe it to be and if your property is subject to persistent damage you should seek legal advice if talking to the cats owners and your local council doesn’t get you anywhere.
Quote The Human Rights Act
Local councils tend to want an easy life so such as in the scenario above, one voice gets nothing done but if several complain then they move into action.
If it is just your garden being used as the local cat toilet and you are a lone voice and you have tried all other avenues including talking to the cat owners and setting up various cat deterrents then you could try quoting the human rights act at your local council office. The result is something akin to showing a crucifix to a vampire.
When you go to your local authority for help they will usually tell you that cats cannot trespass so the owners aren’t liable and there is nothing they can do – blah blah blah – anything for the quite life.
At this point you tell them you wish to make a formal complaint under article 8 of the Human Rights Act. Article 8 (when they ask) covers your right to respect for private and family life from your local authority – specifically you believe they are failing you in your right to enjoy your property because your garden is being used as a giant litter box by the neighborhood cats and they are refusing to do anything about it.
This is going to cause a bit of a stir and much whispering and nodding in your general direction but at some point they will believe they have solved their problem (the problem being you claiming your human rights are being violated) by telling you that the cat owners are also covered by Article 8 because they have the right to enjoy their property and the offending cat or cats are their property.
You then tell them you believe that they are now in breach of the Human Rights Act Article 14 because you are being discriminated against. They are putting the cat owners right to Article 8 above your right to Article 8.”
At the very least this will show them you are not going to be fobbed off easily and will usually bring an offer from someone senior to send an officer to investigate and ‘have a word’ with the cat owner or owners.
If the local council find in your favour and agree that a persons cat or cats are causing a genuine nuisance to you and others (such as fouling yours and your neighbours yard) and that the cat owners have failed or refuse to take any reasonable steps to prevent it from continuing they can serve an anti social behaviour order (ASBO) on the cat owner.
An ASBO will usually last for a minimum of 2 years. An ASBO does not indicate that a criminal offence has taken place. This means that the ASBO will not appear on a criminal record. However, if the terms of the ASBO are broken then it becomes a criminal offence and could result in up to 5 years in prison and/or a fine. If the police believe an ASBO has been broken they will take the case to the magistrates’ court, but some cases could be referred to the Crown Court.
Too Many Cats in the House
If someone has too many cats living at their domestic property the local council can require that the property owner apply to planning to change the use of the property. They do this knowing full well that planning is not likely to be granted.
cat law - too many cats
The number of cats that have to be living at the property before this is triggered is not set in stone and will largely be based on the number of complaints received. 20 people on the same street complaining about someone with 10 cats will get more reaction from the local authority than 10 complaints about someone who has 20 cats.
The Environmental Protection Act of 1990 can also kick in where the number of cats in a property causes significant nuisance because of their noise, odour or the fouling of neighbouring gardens.
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14th May 2019 9:28 pm
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We had a neighbours cat sh*tting in our garden and both our dogs are quite partial to "cat truffles"!! as well as having an 18 month old son who loves to play outdoors
When the neighbours moved we thought we had seen the last of the furry b*stard but now we have another from god knows where!!
One of my customers suggested sprinkling chilli powder or lemon juice where they were sh*tting which we did. One month on and no cat poo (we used lemon juice and peelings)
Another alternative is to get some catnip and put it in your neighbours garden, that way they will be much happier there
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14th May 2019 10:05 pm
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Years ago I resorted to putting carpet track just under the soil where the feline continually crapped. Didn’t cause injury, but didn’t like that and moved on.
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(we used lemon juice and peelings)
