Farmer Chalk wrote:

Making up more untrue quotes to try and suit your argument.... oh dear.... I refer to my earlier comments that I am bored with the diatribe... this thread epitomises why I’m sad...

In the vein of 'FTFY' posts that are commonplace ...unless you would like all of them erased from history?

RRSTDV8 wrote:

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We all live in modern Britain and all quite happily believe it or not.

I think the issue is that some/many aren't happy. That's rather the point.

Lots of people, from both sides of the discussion, are talking about statues of people they've never heard of. People that they now claim are part of their past / culture or repressed past / repressed culture.

My own view is that what happened 2 or 3 or more life times ago is gone. No amount of breast beating will change it. But that doesn't mean it should be ignored. Better to admit things were done that aren't acceptable today but were normal at the time. That doesn't mean we should continue to glorify those that did things we no longer hold to be acceptable.

"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved with mankind. And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls: it tolls for thee."

Hiya

Been racking my brains as I’ve heard that quote before somewhere , was it something to do with bells plse

Many thks

  

Farmer Chalk wrote:

I am bored with the diatribe... this thread epitomises why I’m sad...

gstuart wrote:

Hiya

Been racking my brains as I’ve heard that quote before somewhere , was it something to do with bells plse

Many thks

It's an excerpt from a longer piece by John Donne, written in 1624, called Meditation 17 from Devotions upon Emergent Occasions. He was a Catholic at a time when being a Catholic was illegal in England.

The relevant part is sometimes quoted thus:

No man is an island, entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own or of thine friend's were.
Any man's death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.



The piece is prefaced with "Nunc lento sonitu dicunt, Morieris" meaning "Now this bell that tolls softly for another, says to me, thou must die"

Interestingly, the 17th meditation starts with:

Perchance he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill,
as that he knows not it tolls for him;
and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am,
as that they who are about me, and see my state,
may have caused it to toll for me, and I know not that.

Which almost has a resonance with the current issues, it seems to me. Those who denounce a problem may be suffering that problem and not know it.

Dusty wrote:

The Romans enslaved many Ancient Britons.

Does that not count because it was 2000 years ago and not 200, or maybe it doesn’t matter because they were white slaves.

Dusty wrote:

You can’t rewrite history, just learn from the past and try and improve the future. The way many people are going about it at the moment, things are much more likely to remain entrenched in the past rather than get better.

It is a form of terrorism.

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For some months I worked with a (black) Bajan chap who told me he regarded as an honour being told a mildly racist joke - it meant people had stopped noticing he was black; a (white) Bajan used to complain that he was treated differently when, having only spoken to people on the 'phone in his heavy accent, he met them in person and they realised he was white.

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Ms Onasanya became the first sitting MP in nearly three decades to be jailed when she was convicted of lying to police over a speeding ticket.

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Disgraced ex-Labour MP Fiona Onasanya slams Kellogg's for using a monkey as the mascot for 'brown' Coco Pops but 'three white boys' on Rice Krispies

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"Self-publicist [Fiona Onasanya] self-publishes a pile of piffle"