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al cope
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How the hell did the Merc F1 team  it up so badly that screwed up George Russels race (even possible win) - up in brewery comes to mind
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Flapper
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They just proved you can put anybody in a Merc and they would win. Car not driver.
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| 7th Dec 2020 8:45 am |
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Canburne
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Flapper wrote:They just proved you can put anybody in a Merc and they would win. Car not driver.
Is that why Bottas has won every Grand Prix this year then??? .
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| 7th Dec 2020 9:05 am |
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jonno1
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Disco_Mikey wrote:Mercedes don't make mistakes like that
Surely couldn't have George outpace Bottas in his 1st race, in a car that doesn't fit him... 
My thoughts exactly. What with him telling interviewers that he had to wear shoes a size too small etc.
No, winning would not have done.
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| 7th Dec 2020 10:12 am |
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Moo
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So are you saying that Mercedes deliberately screwed up to prevent Russel winning?  D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
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| 7th Dec 2020 10:18 am |
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Geoff at Drym
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Whatever the reasons, Russel has shown that he is a RACER like Hamilton. He caught and overtook Bottas and a few more cars and was on track to catch and pass Perez when he was called in for a puncture. My personal opinion, but the lad has shown that he is capable of being up there with Hamilton. If he has the chance to spend more time getting used to the Mercedes I'm sure victories would come his way even up against Hamilton! 2007 Disco3 2.7 tdv6 SE
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| 7th Dec 2020 10:34 am |
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Paul J.
Member Since: 09 Dec 2005
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Flapper wrote:They just proved you can put anybody in a Merc and they would win. Car not driver.
Which goes to show how little you know about F1. 
On the other hand, Geoff at Drym evidently does know his stuff.  An ex-Disco3 / FFRR owner ......
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| 7th Dec 2020 12:29 pm |
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highlands
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jonno1 wrote:No, winning would not have done.
Winning would absolutely have done.
Mercedes are facing a massive contract cost negotiation with Lewis at the moment.
If they have George win his first GP in the Merc, outclassing Valtteri, then that's a good bit of leverage.
Indeed, they could say:
We've got the best car; it'll be the best car next year; George is plenty good enough and....by the way, he'll race for us for 1/20th of what you're asking!
There's part of me wanting Merc to do that, although I'd absolutely want to see Lewis racing in 2021...maybe in Albon's seat!  Black 05 TDV6 HSE Auto
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| 7th Dec 2020 1:17 pm |
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al cope
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Redbull should sign Cheko and dump Albon - no question
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| 7th Dec 2020 4:05 pm |
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Moo
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Agree with that re Cheko.
I’d love to see a driver swap. Russel to Mercedes, Hamilton to Williams. That’d be fun.  D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
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| 7th Dec 2020 4:20 pm |
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jenseneverest
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yup Lewis to red bull, see how good he really is against Max in the same cars.
Cheko in the Merc with Russel - bye-bye slow boat.
Hopefully a better McLaren for Danny Ric, still highly rate him.
The others not bothered.
Great result for Cheko
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| 7th Dec 2020 5:10 pm |
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Moo
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I'd love to see a series where they are all in the same car, something like a Formula Ford, and are allocated them randomly. It'd be interesting to see who the real drivers were. D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
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| 7th Dec 2020 5:53 pm |
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RRSTDV8
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highlands wrote:jonno1 wrote:No, winning would not have done.
Winning would absolutely have done.
Mercedes are facing a massive contract cost negotiation with Lewis at the moment.
If they have George win his first GP in the Merc, outclassing Valtteri, then that's a good bit of leverage.
Indeed, they could say:
We've got the best car; it'll be the best car next year; George is plenty good enough and....by the way, he'll race for us for 1/20th of what you're asking!
There's part of me wanting Merc to do that, although I'd absolutely want to see Lewis racing in 2021...maybe in Albon's seat!
I've read that the issue in the contract talks isn't about the money but about image rights and the like. F1 drivers basically sign over their image rights and the teams and FOM make plenty from using them. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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| 7th Dec 2020 6:36 pm |
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RRSTDV8
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jenseneverest wrote:yup Lewis to red bull, see how good he really is against Max in the same cars.
He'd do very well. Hamilton has matured in to the complete F1 driver. He has the full set of tools in the box. Max might be quicker over a single lap but Hamilton has experience and his wide skill set to win races.
It would be a Prost vs Senna type situation with Hamilton in the Prost guise, Max in the Senna role. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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