Member Since: 11 Sep 2023
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 9
Dilemma on broken crank
Hi all,
My 2010 (2011MY) 3.0 SDV6 has a broken crank.
I am trying to get it fixed as economically as possible.
My go to mechanic has decided it is too much for him to cope with so won’t help.
Two other mechanics i contacted showed interest but have also disappeared.
I went to a specialist today who refuses to fit anything but a new/recon crate motor.
I cannot find a sensibly prices used unit. Even if i did i cannot find a mechanic to fit it.
I went to an engine rebuilder today who said he would rebuilt the engine for roughly £1700 but i would need a new block most likely so back to the problem of finding an engine.
If i go this route i still don't have a mechanic to fit it.
I have been offered rebuilt engines via ebay from London and Birmingham for around £2.5k but again so far no one to fit them and i don't know really what I am buying. Could be scammers/ low quality.
Anyone got any ideas on how to approach?
Location is Wiltshire, near Warminste/Westbury.
Thanks
18th Sep 2023 9:10 pm
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14417
Buy a cheap Jag with the 3.0l engine and swap it.
If not, speak to Oval Motors on here or NWS in Shropshire.
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
18th Sep 2023 9:41 pm
Disco4Wilts
Member Since: 11 Sep 2023
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 9
I am already looking for a Jag, maybe found one but still looking in case not.
Still don't have anyone to do the swap if i find one also is the problem.
Mine is a lovely car in a great spec so not looking to change for another, thanks though.
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18th Sep 2023 10:09 pm
popsdosh
Member Since: 09 Nov 2009
Location: cambs
Posts: 442
A recon crated motor with 2year warranty is 6k im afraid its the fitting that racks the bill up because of this most people wont entertain putting in a cheap engine as the risks are to great ! if the engine is 2k or 6 the fitting is the same and dont expect anything under 5k and that would be cheap as the body has to come off and many are not geared up to do that. Personally 2010 year to me would be totally uneconomical to do.
19th Sep 2023 6:28 am
Disco4Wilts
Member Since: 11 Sep 2023
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 9
Or, looked at another way, what is £12K going to get you and how does it compare to your D4?.
Dean
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2011 D4 XS - OBD port protection, RLD spare wheel protector, All LED interiors lights, Timed Climate enabled, iiD tool paired.
2011 D4 Landmark - Stolen from same dealer before I paid for it
2011 D4 GS - Stolen whilst at dealer ... All LED interiors lights, DRLs, Spare Wheel protector.
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19th Sep 2023 7:09 am
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14417
Reality is, its uneconomical to repair.
Save your money and get either a later model with less miles, or look at another brand to do what you want it to do.
You might get a couple of grand for yours as spare or repairs. Talk to Del about striping.D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
19th Sep 2023 8:52 am
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
Posts: 73086
You know stripping makes sense.
Then move to either Volvo of Skoda. Pref the latter, but I may be biased.
19th Sep 2023 10:23 am
Disco4Wilts
Member Since: 11 Sep 2023
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 9
Hardware wrote:
Or, looked at another way, what is £12K going to get you and how does it compare to your D4?
It would get me a newer D4 and i could wait for the engine in that one to go bang too?
19th Sep 2023 9:34 pm
Disco4Wilts
Member Since: 11 Sep 2023
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 9
Moo wrote:
Reality is, its uneconomical to repair.
Save your money and get either a later model with less miles, or look at another brand to do what you want it to do.
You might get a couple of grand for yours as spare or repairs. Talk to Del about striping.
Makes no sense.
They are all unreliable, could pay a fortune for a 2016 D4 and it have crank failure months later.
Better I make mine as reliable as possible.
19th Sep 2023 9:36 pm
Disco4Wilts
Member Since: 11 Sep 2023
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 9
DSL wrote:
You know stripping makes sense.
Then move to either Volvo of Skoda. Pref the latter, but I may be biased.
Makes none whatsoever.
I already have a Volvo. it is pretty reliable too, that is true.
19th Sep 2023 9:38 pm
Disco4Wilts
Member Since: 11 Sep 2023
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 9
Just to clear things up a bit, i was looking for helpful advice on how to get it sorted.
So things like leads to garages that actually repair rather than only fit crate engines.
Or sources of a good working engine.
Maybe a connection to a good engine builder etc etc
Instead most seem to think the answer is to give up and scrap it.
Probably because the D3 boys want more D4 parts to put on their machines.
I see you hands off my prettier grill and tail lights!
I plan to get her back on the road. I will try to make the engine as reliable as is feasible given what a turd of an engine it is. That longer term makes more sense than putting more money into a newer one that will lose even more money when the inevitable happens.
19th Sep 2023 9:47 pm
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14417
If that’s the case, contact NWS or Oval. The reality is though, most people with these look at it economically.
Shipley can help you get it moved up to NWS or Oval. It’s probably your easiest route to getting you back on the road with reputable aftermarket engine fitters.
Don’t go to the eBay or Facebook £3000 engine fitters. You’ll regret it. D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
19th Sep 2023 10:42 pm
waterbuoy
Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: Argyll
Posts: 2922
Before you do anything ref the engine take a good hard look at the condition of the underside, especially round the suspension mounts and sills.
When the crank on my D3 failed at 180k or so miles I ignored common sense and had Disco-MIkey fit a new LR egnine for me - total cost - including many upgrades and mucho maintenance whilst the body was off - came to well under £10k - albeit a good few years ago.
The car has now completed almost 290k, ie more than 100k on the new engine, so my investment has paid off. However, despite being one of the last D3s (2009, so only a year older than your D4), Mike has advised that its time has come and that it will not get through another MOT due to significant rust and rot on the rear end. I live close to the sea (like 15 metres away) so am almost certainly atypical, but please take an honest look at the rear end before putting your hand in your pocket.Currently 2009 Disco 3 SE, 2013 MY D4 HSE and 2016 D4 SE
Previously:
TD5 Defender 110 CSW (230k miles)
300TDi Disco 1 (289k)
4 RR Classics (300-350k each, 2 manual, 2 auto)
110 V8 CSW (220k)
S3 109 hi cap pickup (ex RN)
S2A 88 Safari SW with lpg conversion (bloody lethal)
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19th Sep 2023 11:05 pm
Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
Posts: 20842
Not the car in question, but actually one of the very last D3's, 18 months newer than Tony's
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If you do decide to go down the route of a replacement engine, why not a crate engine? My D3 Build Thread
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it is pretty reliable too, that is true.
