Member Since: 08 May 2007
Location: Randburg
Posts: 790
4X4 expert on Supersport
I happened to stumble across Heine's favourite 4X4 expert - A st. P___ Wh__ on one of the sport channels last night.
Seems like there is 13 episodes and each one will evaluate a specific vehicle. The one last night dealt with the Subaru Forester.
Can't wait for the episodes on D3 and Defender Erstwhile - D3 S '07. Dual battery system. Upgraded tow hitch. Mantec skid plate. Frontrunner rr. Tmax double headed built in compressor
Defender TD5 110 CSW '00. "With everything"
23rd Jun 2008 11:12 am
robharvey
Member Since: 14 May 2007
Location: Durban
Posts: 138
As far as I can see there isn't one on the D3, but he is doing a comparison between the LC 76 and the Puma Defender 110. Don't hold your breath Defender fans.
23rd Jun 2008 12:01 pm
Doc
Member Since: 17 Jan 2008
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 352
Maybe we can start a AStP hate club with Heine as the Chairman
Doc
23rd Jun 2008 12:37 pm
Rencolyn
Member Since: 26 Feb 2008
Location: Knysna
Posts: 212
Just had a chat to the camera man who did the filming (family) & he confirms that the D3 is not featured in the series ... ... because Land Rover refused to make a D3 available for the road / field report!!!
Other manufacturers supplied vehicles with a full tank of gas & refreshments & met them at the airport.
I find the DVD's from A St.P-W an absolute pleasure, down to earth & honest on all his findings. Always good info.Ren Colyn
TDV6 HSE
23rd Jun 2008 2:33 pm
heine
Member Since: 07 Feb 2007
Location: Midrand
Posts: 4054
Depends if the whore is given a Puma for free . Then it will win hands down
23rd Jun 2008 2:34 pm
stpierrewhite
Member Since: 23 Jun 2008
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 4
Andrew St.Pierre White's tupence worth
Hi Everyone.
The 13 part show does not feature one vehicle each show, even though a few shows may appear that way. There is a feature on an old friend: A V8 Defender, and there is a comparison between the 70 Land Cruiser and the Defender. This was an interesting experiment: I posted a shortened version of the test on YouTube and the comments were interesting. I tried so very hard to be unbiased, and after all, I think I was! Read the comments: The Land Cruiser owners think that I must drive a Defender to criticizing the Cruiser this way,... and, all the Defender owners think that I own a Land Cruiser... for exactly the same reason. A Defender owner will only hear what is said against their choice of vehicle, and conclude that the reviewer is biased, and the Land Cruiser owners think exactly the same way! For me, the two vehicles are very similar and the main reason why I drive a Land Cruiser and not a Defender as my personal vehicle is the reliability and service support of Toyota is so much better. But none of the viewers of the Youtube test know that!
Enjoy the shows. They are about to be broadcast in the UK. I will post the show dates on the following link:
http://www.4xforum.com/?showcontent&global[_id]=301
Enjoy the shows!
23rd Jun 2008 7:31 pm
stpierrewhite
Member Since: 23 Jun 2008
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 4
Land Rover owners who hate ASTP White
heine wrote:
Depends if the whore is given a Puma for free . Then it will win hands down
Hi All.
Land Rover did not want to give me anything for my TV series. Why? I will tell you why. About six years ago I wrote that the Disco-2 was awful. And it was: Cramped, unstable, and terrible off-road because the traction-control didn't work properly. Land Rover SA then said (I imagine) that they would no longer support me. No more ads, no more vehicles, nothing. Meanwhile the journos who only dare to criticize the size of the glove box get all the deals and all the vehicles. As a result Land Rover owners labeled me a traitor, because I was a Land Rover lover once. If you want to see more Rovers in the shows, ask Land Rover to have a little more confidence in their own vehicles and then maybe they would worry less. Do you know there have been three tests comparing the Cruiser-70 and the Defender. The third was never published. Why. Because the Defender broke down before it reached the border! But nobody prints that do they? They turn on the honest reporter with a bit of not so nice news and it makes them feel better. Sorry if it offends. I do not hate Land Rovers at all! I hate the way in which so many SA magazines suck up to the advertisers. What I love is trying to inform about 4x4s in the most even handed way possible, and I do it with limited support from the manufacturers. And Heine, I would like to take you to task about your assumption that if I was given a Defender it would win hands down. I own a Land Cruiser: If anything, the Defender comes out better in the one-on-one test.
Andrew S White
23rd Jun 2008 7:49 pm
robharvey
Member Since: 14 May 2007
Location: Durban
Posts: 138
Heine,
He's watching you
PS Welcome, Andrew
24th Jun 2008 4:53 am
heine
Member Since: 07 Feb 2007
Location: Midrand
Posts: 4054
And I'm not watching him
24th Jun 2008 5:24 am
Deondef
Member Since: 08 May 2007
Location: Randburg
Posts: 790
Re: Land Rover owners who hate ASTP White
The third was never published. Why. Because the Defender broke down before it reached the border! But nobody prints that do they? Ouch - that hurt .
What happened to the other test report ? I only saw the one in SA4X4Erstwhile - D3 S '07. Dual battery system. Upgraded tow hitch. Mantec skid plate. Frontrunner rr. Tmax double headed built in compressor
Defender TD5 110 CSW '00. "With everything"
24th Jun 2008 5:48 am
stpierrewhite
Member Since: 23 Jun 2008
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 4
Anyway, I get my kicks with any 4x4. Doesn't have to be a LR
Heine, I don't know who you are, but you aren't the only one who can't stand me. That is what keeps things interesting. If everybody agreed with me, the audience would soon grow tired. Meanwhile I get to keep driving lots of 4x4s all over the place and make a damn reasonable living at it as well. Either way, if I drive a Toyota, the Land Rovers chaps don't like me, and if I drive a Rover, the Toyota guys don't care a damn, or if I drive a Merc G-Wagen (which I would prefer to drive) nobody comments. My programs are now being broadcast in the UK by, it looks like, two different networks and in the USA by a big cable channel and I have lots more channels really interested. So I must be pleasing somebody.
27th Jun 2008 3:50 pm
Jonty
Member Since: 13 Oct 2007
Location: On the beach
Posts: 417
Andrew,
Which channels in the UK? I'm here for a few months......
Have you tested the Disco 3 and RRS yet?
(pic from Umbertob of rangerovers.net and rrsport.co.uk)
Cheers,
Jonty
27th Jun 2008 8:02 pm
Doc
Member Since: 17 Jan 2008
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 352
Hi Guys
I have been following this thread for a few days and I suggest we bury the hacket on this topic as it is counter-productive to the spirit of this group. Maybe Heine and Andrew St P White can kiss and make up
Doc
29th Jun 2008 1:10 pm
Baben
Member Since: 15 Feb 2006
Location: Kyalami
Posts: 2059
Andrew, gimme a call next time you are in JHB. You can have my D3 for a few days, and I will even fill up the tank and throw in a case of Zamalek
3rd Jul 2008 7:27 pm
df
Member Since: 28 Jun 2008
Location: South Africa
Posts: 24
Hey Andrew
I have most of your DVD's and books and I also disagree with some of your statements, but nevertheless have you come across the articles of safety issues with the
Toyota Fortuner and Hiluxes? News24 commented on it - it's BAD and DANGEROUS
I also found another link - a video clip - this is VERY scary stuff.
I hope these issues can also be raised in your program as Toyota doesn't seem to give two hoots. The handling was so bad and to such an extent that my father rather drove my old Terrano on the dirt roads vs the new (3000km) Hilux. which he gave to me.
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... because Land Rover refused to make a D3 available for the road / field report!!!
Always good info.
