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simon_arch1
Member Since: 10 Apr 2006
Location: Melbourne Australia
Posts: 502
  
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Hi all,
Been a while... And now a friend in need... Drove from Melburne to Parkes today, on way to queensland. Lovely cruise in the D3, everything running beautifully until ... We filled up at Forbes at the Shell, and as we drove out of town, got an engine system fault. Switched off, restarted, all ok for a few minutes, then back it came. Only practical symptom is the engine depowers...
Any advice? Oo to keep going, and just fill up with new fuel asap as we go along, or what?
Thanks in anticipation...
Cheers, and happy new year to all.
Simon D3 - Buckingham Blue, SE, TDV6, 06 model; chipped; underbody armour; Mickey Thompson ATZ 275/65-18 AND MAXXIS Bighorn muddies; rear wheel carrier from 4x4intelligence.com; iPOD aux connection! GME 3200 UHF - aerial mounted on wheel carrier  ; LR roof rails/cross bars; Autosafe cargo barrier, Safari Snorkel; Traxide - aux battery; ARB bull bar with Tigerz11 winch; Lightforce 240 XGT driving lights (mitchell bros tow hitch to come)
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 8th Jan 2011 8:09 am |
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Neil Pettersen
Member Since: 23 Nov 2007
Location: Cutting the grass
Posts: 1254
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Hi Simon ,
Find a Super-Cheap Auto Store , buy some Fuel Doctors and throw in 100ml .
Don't use anything else on the shelf in that section.
http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/store-loc...Wales.aspx
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| 8th Jan 2011 11:35 pm |
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character
Member Since: 31 Dec 2007
Location: wiltshire
Posts: 5781
 
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Welcome to the very popular EGR failure club, happened to me 2 years ago, filled up in Glasgow, Scotland at a supermarket - got 6 miles down the road then had engine power loss and struggled to get up to 63 mph where it would then hold the speed. Mine's a base spec D3 hence we did not have any messages. 
LRA met me at the destination, plugged me in, was the left EGR gone - the fuel filling is a red herring 
yer an 06 plater, just about the right time for a new one 
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| 8th Jan 2011 11:40 pm |
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StornowaySA
Member Since: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 406
 
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Happened today - D4, filled up at Tailem Bend (stupidly) not at a major (BP/SHell). car lasted 5km's then Engine Fault. Flat bed to Adelaide. miserable tonight  MY2010 D4 HSE 3.0, e-diff, 19inch MTR's; LLAMS Height adjustor, LR f & r light guards, LR side steps, LR bright finish side door mouldings; LR/Mantec G4 front bash plate, LR G4 Winch kit, Warn 9500lb Winch; GOE compressor guard, Uniden UHF, LR bright finish roof rails, LR G4 driving light kit, LR G4 ladder, 4 x extra rear compartment 12V sockets, Traxide dual battery system and Optima Yellowtop battery, ORS drawer system / fridge slide, LED rear compartment lighting.
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| 9th Jan 2011 9:34 am |
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caverD3
Member Since: 02 Jul 2006
Location: Oberon, NSW
Posts: 6922
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Water in fuel? “There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
Ernest Hemmingway
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| 9th Jan 2011 10:48 am |
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LeighW
D3 Decade
Member Since: 31 Jan 2006
Location: Brisbane, AUS
Posts: 920
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Hi Simon - don't know why you want to come up to Qld at the moment. More water than a D3 can safely handle!
Did you sort out the engine problem?
Regards, Leigh LeighW
The old girl is on her third engine...
* first ran a bearing (design failure in original engine)
* second had a failure of the water outlet on top of the engine (pls check yours)
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| 10th Jan 2011 10:52 am |
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Vo Rogue
Member Since: 16 Jan 2006
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 123
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Wow is there that much bad fuel around. It is something like 20 years since contaminated fuel in Australia was common except of course for aviation fuel contamination. When I was working on Oil Wharfs a very long time ago we used to sample fuels coming off boats at the beginning of transfer and every hour during discharge. In all the time I was working there we only saw contaminated fuels a couple of times and they were quickly quarantined. Also, unless things have changed, all retail installations back then drew fuel from above a certain level so the chances of water contamination were almost negligible. I doubt much has changed in the mean time so you would have to be very unlucky to get bad fuel.
In fact, the only bad fuel issues that I know of in the intervening time was a couple of examples of fuel dilution with cheap fillers. Now that might cause major engine damage in a very short period of time but would be very evident as the engines/pumps would fail. I cant see that happening ever as long as you buy from Shell/BP etc.
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| 10th Jan 2011 12:01 pm |
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jonesy63
Member Since: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Didn't we have a lovely time, the day we went to ...
Posts: 848
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Hi VR - water contamination - from water leaching into the underground storage tanks at (self) service stations is far more common than you would think. One friend here (Baggy) had a $11k repair bill after such an occurrence. Luckily for him, his insurance policy covered this scenario.
I think one major factor is how the modern diesels handle water in fuel. Old clunkers would and can run anything. With the high pressure now used, the water doesn't lubricate the injectors, pump, etc - causing damage to all, which then gets sent back into the tank on the return line... then goes through the system again causing even more damage.
IMHO, the service stations should be more accountable for selling a faulty and damaging product.
Cheers,
Rob
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| 10th Jan 2011 10:30 pm |
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LeighW
D3 Decade
Member Since: 31 Jan 2006
Location: Brisbane, AUS
Posts: 920
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Scenario: If a 10 000 litre underground is nearly empty when the refilling tanker arrives the air in the tank can contain moisture that will condense on the sides of the tank and then gravitate to the bottom of the tank. Also, the refueller will not trickle feed the tank (he's got many to do and the sooner they're done then off home he goes). The incoming fuel will agitate the sediment and other contaminants that normally sit at the bottom of the tank (out of the way of the pick-up) so it is feasible that there is a risk of contaminated fuel every time you refuel. We can just hope that the inline filters before the bowser do their job.
HTH, Leigh LeighW
The old girl is on her third engine...
* first ran a bearing (design failure in original engine)
* second had a failure of the water outlet on top of the engine (pls check yours)
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| 11th Jan 2011 12:22 am |
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StornowaySA
Member Since: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 406
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Car is ready to be picked up - diagnosis was not certain - possibly a "software glitch" so they had reloaded software "power control module update" and car was running perfectly; and they also noted one of the main battery terminals connectors was loose and they wonder if that contributed to the issue (voltage drop) (quite possible, I hadnt checked them in a while and the connections had been on and off a bit lately with a winch, and other accessories all being added over various weeks). That coupled with the very rough tracks and its certainly possible. Sorry I cant add anything else.
cheers
Chris MY2010 D4 HSE 3.0, e-diff, 19inch MTR's; LLAMS Height adjustor, LR f & r light guards, LR side steps, LR bright finish side door mouldings; LR/Mantec G4 front bash plate, LR G4 Winch kit, Warn 9500lb Winch; GOE compressor guard, Uniden UHF, LR bright finish roof rails, LR G4 driving light kit, LR G4 ladder, 4 x extra rear compartment 12V sockets, Traxide dual battery system and Optima Yellowtop battery, ORS drawer system / fridge slide, LED rear compartment lighting.
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| 11th Jan 2011 3:28 am |
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garrycol
Member Since: 06 Dec 2010
Location: Canberra
Posts: 1130
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Only had my RRS for a month and all this talk of water is a worry. When I got my roadworthy done the mechanic had a water/dirt/sludge collection system sitting on the bench that is designed specifically for common rail systems. He suggested I fit one but I declined the offer - rethinking that now.
Garry
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| 11th Jan 2011 5:44 am |
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