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Giles N
 


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TPMS question -

OK - can access the TPMS form the 'service menu'
This shows the actual tyre pressure & the target setting.
Is the actual set pressure 'real time'?

Example if I have someone sat in the driver seat & I start to pump up a tyre will they see the actual pressure increase?

I find it very difficlt to get the pressures right - forecourt guages seem all over the place & anyway its the monitor in the car that goes off if it senses a wrong tyre pressure - so that must be the best gauge to use

I know in my previous car the TPMS was 'live' - as I inflated a tyre so the in car screen showed the increase.

Thanks
  
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I seem to remember when reading the book that they recommend you don't rely on the screen and check with a calibrated gauge on a regular basis.
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Giles N
 


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yeah - read that - but its the gauge in front of me that shows the warning/error message.
  
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No it's not live ...the new data is "learned" after 15 minutes of continuous driving above 12 mph Thumbs Up
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Giles N
 


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Thanks DG - thought that might be the case.
So its on with add a few PSI, drive for a while see what the screen says, add or take out some depending.

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How do you see the values? The only thing I (South African 2014 D4) can do, is to set the TPMS setting to light or heavy load... Confused
  
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They have changed the system from MY2015 onwards you now are able to see the individual pressures Thumbs Up

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mse
 


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and if you change the pressure and go back in you can see the change - so although I don't know if it does it live, it certainly doesn't take 15 minutes
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Well the system spec states 15 minutes ..you must have a magic one Laughing Wink
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Actually you might be right in a way Smile ...the learning process takes 15 minutes and thereafter it seems to transmit every 1 minute.

Somebody read and interpret this ..it's been a long day Laughing Sad

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Each time the vehicle is driven, the CJB transmits a Low Frequency (LF) (125 KHz) signal to each initiator in turn. This is received by the tire pressure sensor which transmits a Radio Frequency (RF) (315 or 433 MHz depending on market) signal to the RF receiver. This signal contains coded data which corresponds to sensor identification, air pressure, air temperature and acceleration data. This signal is communicated to the CJB via a K-bus line.

The system enters 'parking mode' after the vehicle speed has been less than 12.5 mph (20 km/h) for 12 minutes. In parking mode the tire pressure sensors transmit a coded signal to the CJB once every 13 hours. If the tire pressure decreases by more than 1 lbf/in2 (0.6 bar) the sensor will transmit more often if pressure is being lost.

The spare tire sensor transmits a signal every 13 hours in the same manner as the road wheels when in parking mode. If the tire pressure decreases by more than 1 lbf/in2 (0.6 bar) the sensor will transmit more often if pressure is being lost.

As each wheel responds to the LF signal from the CJB, it is assigned a position on the vehicle and is monitored for the remainder of that drive cycle in that position.

When the vehicle has been parked for more than 15 minutes and then driven at a speed of more than 12.5 mph (20 km/h), the initiators fire in turn for 18 seconds in the following order:

Front left
6 second pause (for the to detect a response from the tire pressure sensor)
Front right
6 second pause
Rear right
6 second pause
Rear left
6 second pause.
Each tire pressure sensor responds in turn so the CJB can establish the sensor positions at the start of the drive cycle. This process is repeated up to three times but less if the sensor positions are already known in the CJB. The process is known as 'Auto Location' and takes 7 to 8 minutes to complete. During this period the tire sensors transmit at regular intervals, once every 15 seconds. For the remainder of the drive cycle the tire sensors transmit once every 60 seconds or if a change in tire pressure is sensed until the vehicle stops and the system returns to parking mode.

Once the wheel position is established, the initiators stop firing a signal and do not fire again until the vehicle has been parked for more than 15 minutes. The signal transmissions from each wheel sensor continue at 1 minute intervals whilst the vehicle is being driven. This transmission is to monitor the tire pressure.

At 25% deflation the amber warning indicator in the instrument cluster is illuminated and an appropriate message displayed in the message center.
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All looks sensible to me!

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mse
 


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Its definitely not 15 minutes to adjust to the a pressure - but learning a sensor etc, then yes I think it is 15 minutes.
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Ok, so does this mean you can air down eg to 12-15psi for soft sand driving while the vehicle is parked up and the system learns these low pressures at start up and then only warns if the pressure drops by 25% or more? If so, I look foward to having it in SWMBOs new mota, but if it's still reliant on hard-coded high and low settings I'm not so enamered.

DG, or anyone with a MY15/16 care to test it and provide an update Mr. Green
  
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Hairy Dan wrote:
They have changed the system from MY2015 onwards you now are able to see the individual pressures Thumbs Up

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So can a 2014 spec be upgraded to show the values?

Also, can anyone give me the CCF 'setting' for TPMS please? I changed to offroad tyres and rims, turned off TPMS and now cannot remember the setting. When fitting on road tyres again I will need to turn TPMS on again.
  
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Not sure what tool you are using for the CCF edits, but these are my settings for no TPMS:

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