Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
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Contact Woody32 and get trailered down to him in Taunton. You're risking spending a lot of money when you really don't know what the problem is.
£4K for a turbo is a ripoff. New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
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No longer the Old Buses original owner 
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
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M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
Location: Notts.
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Did the engine overheat? Did the oil light come on at any time while the engine was running?- if the answer is no to both questions I can't see the engine being ruined or unsafe to run, a turbo failure will not damage an engine, just make it throw black smoke out and be underpowered. The intercooler hose being off will cause no damage to the engine over a short period, but might contribute to turbo failure by making the turbo work harder as it will be receiving false information from the sensors, a small amount of oil may be blown out of the hose that is off, all depends which hose was left off.
My opinion is you have just cought it in time, a replacement turbo is all that is needed although I would ask for an oil pressure check and check the oil filter has been fitted correctly by Halford's before proceeding.
Being advised not to run it anymore is normal practice to put pressure on you to obtain work and a get out clause. If the engine sounds ok with no unusual noises, no oil light, oil and water levels ok it's drivable, it will smoke a lot until the turbo I'd done. It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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| 11th Jul 2017 8:39 am |
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Guilefox
Member Since: 10 Jul 2017
Location: Buckinghamshire
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Engine did not overheat.
Oil light/Engine management light only came on when engine died (which is normal I guess).
Quote:oil pressure check and check the oil filter has been fitted correctly by Halford's before proceeding
- thank you I will ask them to check this!
What worries me about this garage is they are not forthcoming with general information about state of vehicle, reassurance (ok that's a luxury). Just saying - yeah its the turbo, do you want us to fix it or not? - althought perhaps they are real experts and super confident.
Quote:If the engine sounds ok with no unusual noises, no oil light, oil and water levels ok it's drivable, it will smoke a lot until the turbo I'd done
- this was my thoughts - the engineer pointing at a box covering the cambelt I think and said if oil gets in there - the engine will be write off.
I'm going down to Devon in a months time for a holiday and have family in Taunton - might be worth a trip! Will look into this! Thanks 
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| 11th Jul 2017 9:46 am |
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M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
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He is correct about oil getting on the cam belt(I assume that is the box he was pointing to), oil may cause the belt to come off or jump a tooth which could be catastrophic, whilst I say it is drivable, a short distance at low revs from a to b only.
How many miles has it done since the service?- if over 500ish there is no need to check the oil filter
It is possible to change a turbo without taking the body off and there may be a site sponsor who would do it, Geoff. (With a dot) For instance might just cover your area. It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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| 11th Jul 2017 10:52 am |
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Guilefox
Member Since: 10 Jul 2017
Location: Buckinghamshire
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It's probably done about 500 miles.
I've PM'd geoff and woody (fingers crossed!) 
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| 11th Jul 2017 10:53 am |
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M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
Location: Notts.
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It would not have had a new turbo when the new engine was fitted. It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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| 11th Jul 2017 10:56 am |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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Guilefox wrote:I took car for a drive and it conked out on bypass EMS light, oil light. Opened bonnet, checked oil (seemed empty!) - opened oil cap and smoke coming out.
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| 11th Jul 2017 12:15 pm |
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Guilefox
Member Since: 10 Jul 2017
Location: Buckinghamshire
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It seems you were about to make an important point! 
I guess the smoke coming out when I removed the oil cap should be a clue to something - and it's not good!
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| 11th Jul 2017 1:05 pm |
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lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
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Bare in mind what i said earlier about oil qty to top up and you reckon roughly 2.5 litres ish thats approx 50 percent of the sump capacity, thats very low.
Im not sure what min to max is on the stick 1 litre maybe?
Ive seen many a truck engine run on impossibly small amounts of engine oil with no long term problems, but they are by their very nature tough sobs and not toy motors.
A little oil vapour form the oil cap is quite normal so long as it was just wafting out, if it was doing thomas the steam engine impressions thats very bad news and points to bad blow by, meaning serious issues insde the cylinders.
Old fashioned test is called the atmosphere test (or summat like that) undo cap and rest it in its hole and start engine if the cap stays put blow by is okay, if it goes into low orbit its er knackered.
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| 11th Jul 2017 5:59 pm |
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Pete K
Member Since: 15 Jan 2016
Location: GL
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If the oil is on the dip stick, there is loads of oil in the sump. (the lower sump is full).
It was the oil light that worried me.
Did it come on before stalling or as a result of stalling ?
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| 11th Jul 2017 6:03 pm |
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Guilefox
Member Since: 10 Jul 2017
Location: Buckinghamshire
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It was as a result of stalling - no oil pressure light before that!
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| 11th Jul 2017 6:05 pm |
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Guilefox
Member Since: 10 Jul 2017
Location: Buckinghamshire
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Not sure how bad Thomas Tank engine bad is!
It was smoking for some time after the engine conked out and I took the cap off. Unfortunately I do not have the car as it's at the garage still, and I am getting quotes and working out what I will do/say before I ring them.
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| 11th Jul 2017 6:06 pm |
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M3DPO
Member Since: 22 Sep 2010
Location: Notts.
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That will be caused by the oil overheating/boiling, this will have thrown the engine fault light on, ideally you need a compression test on each cylinder and oil pressure test, if they are OK the oil will need replacing along with replacment turbo of course. It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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| 11th Jul 2017 7:32 pm |
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lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
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Guilefox wrote:Not sure how bad Thomas Tank engine bad is!
It was smoking for some time after the engine conked out and I took the cap off. Unfortunately I do not have the car as it's at the garage still, and I am getting quotes and working out what I will do/say before I ring them.
That almost sounds like a heat seizure to me.
Thomas the engine bad imagine a steam train er steaming, bigger the engine the more air movement there is.
One of many videos
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| 11th Jul 2017 7:37 pm |
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Guilefox
Member Since: 10 Jul 2017
Location: Buckinghamshire
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Wow  well there defo was not that much coming out, however the engine was not running!
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| 11th Jul 2017 8:52 pm |
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