Dave T
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Location: Glasgow
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| Upper rear hub bushes worn - Help please |
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Just back from my annual trip to the dealers, told I need new rear upper hub bushes, any idea exactly which bushes these are and is it a "do in the drive job" or does it need specialist tools?
Last edited by Dave T on 30th Jan 2010 3:13 pm. Edited 1 time in total
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 19th Jan 2010 5:56 pm |
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The Large One
Member Since: 20 Apr 2007
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Sorry to tell ya this buddy but they are a total 
almost guarenteed to have to cut the bolts off and cut the bushes out the arms
for this reason i always recommened a whole arm
not as bad as it sounds, from memory about £70, compaired to £20 for the bushes but what you lay out in price you save in bu**ering about
it is possible to do DIY on the ground TLO has left the building.......
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| 19th Jan 2010 10:35 pm |
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Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
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The upper hub bushes are relatively easy to do, providing the bolt isnt seized inside the bush...
If it is seized, its a PITA to cut through the bolt without power tools (grinder/air saw etc)
If it does come out, just hammer the old bush out of the hub, and find a suitable spacer to go fit around the outer part of the bush and hammer back in again...
Mr TLO, which arm are you talking about? Dont have to cut any arms to get the hub bushes out...  My D3 Build Thread
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| 20th Jan 2010 8:05 pm |
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Gareth
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Some pictures, or parts diagrams might help identify. I think these are the bushes that my last D3 failed MOT on. Are we talking about the top wishbone to chassis bushes/bolts, or the single bush/bolt that attaches the hub? Which bolts stick?
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| 20th Jan 2010 8:35 pm |
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Dave T
Member Since: 03 Jul 2009
Location: Glasgow
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Thats a good question, well asked, I only have the name supplied by the dealer.
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| 20th Jan 2010 9:19 pm |
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discoboy
Member Since: 30 Jan 2009
Location: UK
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My D3 failed on the nearside upper arm rear bush this week, it's being done on Friday, Cost is around £10 for parts and £120 for labour a 1.6 hour job, this is a normal indy garage not LR or LR indy. They have done another one of these on a D3 this week and say it's a common prob.
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| 20th Jan 2010 9:33 pm |
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Dave T
Member Since: 03 Jul 2009
Location: Glasgow
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Had a look at these bushes and arms today when changing my rear brake pads (another saga but thats another story  ).
Has anyone actually changed these themselves, whilst it looks a simple straight forward nuts and bolts job, getting to some of them looks like being a real pain, photos are in my gallery, the top one looks the worst, I can touch them but how on earth do you get a socket on there?
I've been quoted £233 - 20% by main dealer to supply and fit both sides (i'm thinking now that is just to buy bushes rather than whole arms), or about £165 to buy 2 complete arms and bolts from our fantastic tame parts supplier or considerably less if I just wanted the bushes.
I do like getting my hands dirty and I am reasonably competant with a spanner, but the last thing I want is one of these arms hanging on by one bolt and unable to move the car.
Just how difficult is this job??????
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| 30th Jan 2010 3:24 pm |
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ronp
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Mines is in dealer this very moment for replacement bushes.
One was so hard to remove that the time involved would have outweighed the cost of a full arm.
So that's what I'm getting.
Been in Thurs, Fri and should be back with me by Mon eve.
Word of caution - everyone should just be aware of the bolt seizure problems before attempting a DIY repair. I was a normal heterosexual chap, but in these new woke awakenings I now identify as a Wardrobe.
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| 30th Jan 2010 3:56 pm |
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Gareth
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I'd snap the dealers arm off with that quote. Mine olde D3 was in the dealer for a week with the same job.
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| 30th Jan 2010 3:56 pm |
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Disco_Mikey
Member Since: 29 May 2007
Location: Dundee, Scotland
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£233 for both arms, id just let the dealer do it TBH.
The front bolt never usually seizes in place, but the rear bolt is always seized and takes a lot of hammering, chiselling and levering to get it out, and also the bolt that goes through the hub bush tends to seize up too... My D3 Build Thread
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| 30th Jan 2010 4:07 pm |
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chrisbowler
Member Since: 30 Jan 2009
Location: UK WALES
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Not sure quite what the problem is here - the rear upper suspension arm has three bushes - two are on the chassis end and the bolts do seize - the third one is in the hub knuckle which has to be pressed in and out and to do this needs the hub knuckle removing. All bushes need to be pressed in and out but to do both sides, all six bushes takes about a day
Regards Chris Bowler Chris Bowler
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| 31st Jan 2010 9:03 pm |
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simoniz
Member Since: 28 Oct 2007
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AND........
If I am informed correctly if whole arm replaced alignment check required post completion of work ........... 
I have wear in an up rear and trying to establish true cost of doing this.
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| 31st Jan 2010 9:21 pm |
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Dave T
Member Since: 03 Jul 2009
Location: Glasgow
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Chris, looking at your profile sort of gives it away, I would be trying to do this on my drive (in Scotland in Feb!) with the use of a socket set, spanners and an FBH ( big hammer  ). Looking at your costings there, if the dealer will do it for around £200 all in then its a no brainer for me. The main issue I had was access to the bolts, couldn't see how I was going to get a socket on them without dismantling half the back end.
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| 31st Jan 2010 9:22 pm |
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chrisbowler
Member Since: 30 Jan 2009
Location: UK WALES
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Hear where you are coming from, but sockets do not fit - only a spanner - it moves very slightly each time - the nut is captive and the bolts ( especially the rear one ) seizes as the bush is aluminium. So once seized, you have to use a hack saw blade on its own to cut through the bolt - takes about 30 minutes to hack saw through an M12 bolt using20% of the blade length. Sadly the bushes have to be fitted in a particular orientation and hammering an aluminuim bush may deform it - so ideally needs to be pressed in.
In addition, the strip down of the hub knuckle means that the handbrake assembly has to be removed, so as part of the job, the handbrake gets cleaned and adjusted.
If yo are really unlucky the top hub knucle bush ( which is like a rose joint will also seize. Please also bear in mind that a new arm only comes with two of the three bushes so you still have to strip the hub knuckle down to get the third bush.
You guessed my profile but I would hate to see someone try this job DIY only to find that it may be beyond capabilities. I agree that a fair amount of D3 mechanics can be DIY, but if bushes wear out so quickly when done properly, how long will that last if not done properly
Regards Chris Bowler Chris Bowler
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| 31st Jan 2010 9:43 pm |
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