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DJEwen
Member Since: 19 Apr 2017
Location: Cairn o’ Mount
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Excellent response. 2005 Discovery 3 HSE Zambezi Silver 56,000mls
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16th Mar 2023 11:55 pm |
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garrycol
Member Since: 06 Dec 2010
Location: Canberra
Posts: 1132

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In Australia, wheel spacers/adaptors are illegal except where fitted by manufacturers as standard. The Aust authorities (9 authorities) consider them so unsafe that if a vehicle is caught with them fitted the vehicle is ordered off the road immediately.
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17th Mar 2023 4:06 am |
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DIY Ace
Member Since: 06 Feb 2019
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 982


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Picking up this thread, does anyone here know what the scrub radius of the D3 actually is?
I have a 2005 HSE with 19 inch OEM wheels. I have 30mm spacers that I'm yet to put on because I cannot find out what the scrub radius is as standard.
I'd be interested to know whether the larger 20+ inch wheels on D4s for example have a wider offset too, as they will also change the scrub radius yet I presume that the suspension geometry is much the same across all D3/D4s? 2022 BMW i4 M50. Bought Oct 2022. 10,200 miles and counting...
2014 BMW 435d convertible. Bought July 2021. 58,000 miles and counting...
2005 Discovery 3 HSE Auto. Bought Feb 2019. 169,000 miles and counting...
2009 Freelander 2 XS Manual. Bought Sep 2013. SOLD Aug 2021 (already regretted!)
https://youtube.com/channel/UCO_u_0D45x9KGfiNstzLJnw
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10th Apr 2023 9:50 am |
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NJSS
Member Since: 06 May 2009
Location: Catherington, Hampshire.
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Quote:In Australia, wheel spacers/adaptors are illegal except where fitted by manufacturers as standard. The Aust authorities (9 authorities) consider them so unsafe that if a vehicle is caught with them fitted the vehicle is ordered off the road immediately.
I think that this is probably a sensible approach.
Whatever you do, if fitting spacers, advise your insurers in advance. If you fail to do so & they find out your insurance might be cancelled immediately.
NJSS
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10th Apr 2023 10:38 am |
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Globe&Laurel
Member Since: 28 Sep 2024
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 189


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Motolab wrote:ClassikFan wrote:Christian from LR Time says
Exploitation of a youtube channel does not make the channel owner a specialist by default/automatically, although some think it works that way.. (Note: i do not know him, so i don’t know if he really knows or not)
a claim has to be backed up by evidence otherwise it is “hear say” / 🦜 talk
Christian happens to know more about the D3 than any Land Rover Dealership Technicians put together know... A very clever guy and a big supporter of this forum. Just sayin' D3 SE TDV6
2007
152,000 Miles
Properly Maintained!
Memories:
D2 TD5 (got fed-up with a ton of rear door, but then on the 8th day God created the D3 and all my dreams came true)
D1 TDI with gas conversion (nightmare, unless random explosions under the bonnet work for you)
Classic RR 4.2 V8 (Soft Dash. Nice, but 12MPG!!)
Classic RR 3.9 V8 (Hard Dash)
LR 90 (least said...)
Series 3 SWB (loved it, but got fed-up with replacing UJs)
Lightweight 1/4 Tonner (wish I'd kept it)
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29th Jan 2025 10:20 pm |
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Gnomad
Member Since: 22 Jul 2018
Location: Harbor Springs
Posts: 158


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I've been thinking of some wheel adapters to run Wrangler wheels on my LR3, so they would kind be like spacers. And why you might ask? 18" rover wheels here are like rocking horse droppings or chicken lips, Wrangler wheels a dime a dozen and 18" tire selection much better. The question might be how wide can one go before things go haywire?
We have no inspections here. Anything goes!
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30th Jan 2025 12:42 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13941

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LR dealership technicians would struggle to spell LR, let alone know what they're doing, so knowing more than them is hardly surprising. The decent guys all work outside of the dealership system. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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30th Jan 2025 12:42 am |
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Globe&Laurel
Member Since: 28 Sep 2024
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 189


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I'd second that. But having just defended LR Time, I have to say that IMVHO, the wheel spacer/more stability thing is an utter myth. Primary School logic applied here... 2 Inches track extension on a car this big already is going to make any difference whatsoever... ... I fitted the Mantec ones myself just last weekend... Hence sudden interest in this subject.
Result: 1. Absolutely no difference noticed so far. 2. Likely wasted £90 3. Likely would ruin my bearings if I don't take them off again this coming weekend 4. But they do look quite nice
Conclusion: Slightly altered my opinion of a number of otherwise well-respected individual proponents on the web, but proves we're all human and able to kid ourselves that wheel spacers are anything but vanity unless they are used for fitting weird-sized wheel/tyre combinations.
Akin to putting a raised air intake on your car when you have no intention of wading through anything other than a puddle. Apparently, you can get a ram-air effect one way, or a less dust effect the other. Right. D3 SE TDV6
2007
152,000 Miles
Properly Maintained!
Memories:
D2 TD5 (got fed-up with a ton of rear door, but then on the 8th day God created the D3 and all my dreams came true)
D1 TDI with gas conversion (nightmare, unless random explosions under the bonnet work for you)
Classic RR 4.2 V8 (Soft Dash. Nice, but 12MPG!!)
Classic RR 3.9 V8 (Hard Dash)
LR 90 (least said...)
Series 3 SWB (loved it, but got fed-up with replacing UJs)
Lightweight 1/4 Tonner (wish I'd kept it)
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30th Jan 2025 9:45 am |
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Globe&Laurel
Member Since: 28 Sep 2024
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 189


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Gnomad wrote:I've been thinking of some wheel adapters to run Wrangler wheels on my LR3, so they would kind be like spacers. And why you might ask? 18" rover wheels here are like rocking horse droppings or chicken lips, Wrangler wheels a dime a dozen and 18" tire selection much better. The question might be how wide can one go before things go haywire?
We have no inspections here. Anything goes! From what has been said here so far, and elsewhere, even an inch each side is going to do damage long term. Wouldn't it be cheaper for you to get some OEM 18s shipped in from the UK? Plenty on eBay here. The cost of shipping would likely outweigh the damage would cost you eventually... Snap them up before the tariffs are levied D3 SE TDV6
2007
152,000 Miles
Properly Maintained!
Memories:
D2 TD5 (got fed-up with a ton of rear door, but then on the 8th day God created the D3 and all my dreams came true)
D1 TDI with gas conversion (nightmare, unless random explosions under the bonnet work for you)
Classic RR 4.2 V8 (Soft Dash. Nice, but 12MPG!!)
Classic RR 3.9 V8 (Hard Dash)
LR 90 (least said...)
Series 3 SWB (loved it, but got fed-up with replacing UJs)
Lightweight 1/4 Tonner (wish I'd kept it)
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30th Jan 2025 10:19 am |
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RonP
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
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Globe&Laurel wrote:
Akin to putting a raised air intake on your car when you have no intention of wading through anything other than a puddle. Apparently, you can get a ram-air effect one way, or a less dust effect the other. Right.
A raised air intake [RAI] give absolutely no benefit at all in wading, it is merely just as the name suggests - air that is being drawn in naturally [not 'ram'], but at a higher level.
Many confuse an RAI with a Snorkel..... each serves a different requirement.
...... always on the road less travelled 🚧
< ‘tis but a mere scratch …….. it’ll polish out.
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30th Jan 2025 12:33 pm |
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Globe&Laurel
Member Since: 28 Sep 2024
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 189


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Exactly D3 SE TDV6
2007
152,000 Miles
Properly Maintained!
Memories:
D2 TD5 (got fed-up with a ton of rear door, but then on the 8th day God created the D3 and all my dreams came true)
D1 TDI with gas conversion (nightmare, unless random explosions under the bonnet work for you)
Classic RR 4.2 V8 (Soft Dash. Nice, but 12MPG!!)
Classic RR 3.9 V8 (Hard Dash)
LR 90 (least said...)
Series 3 SWB (loved it, but got fed-up with replacing UJs)
Lightweight 1/4 Tonner (wish I'd kept it)
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30th Jan 2025 12:38 pm |
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Globe&Laurel
Member Since: 28 Sep 2024
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 189


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NJSS wrote:Quote:In Australia, wheel spacers/adaptors are illegal except where fitted by manufacturers as standard. The Aust authorities (9 authorities) consider them so unsafe that if a vehicle is caught with them fitted the vehicle is ordered off the road immediately.
I think that this is probably a sensible approach.
Whatever you do, if fitting spacers, advise your insurers in advance. If you fail to do so & they find out your insurance might be cancelled immediately.
NJSS Good advice. I just checked with mine, and they will not insure me to drive with wheel spacers or bull bars (I don't have a bull bar, I have a nudge bar - I push mini hesston hay bales around with it), but to them this is the same thing. Changed insurers overnight +£10 pm premium change. D3 SE TDV6
2007
152,000 Miles
Properly Maintained!
Memories:
D2 TD5 (got fed-up with a ton of rear door, but then on the 8th day God created the D3 and all my dreams came true)
D1 TDI with gas conversion (nightmare, unless random explosions under the bonnet work for you)
Classic RR 4.2 V8 (Soft Dash. Nice, but 12MPG!!)
Classic RR 3.9 V8 (Hard Dash)
LR 90 (least said...)
Series 3 SWB (loved it, but got fed-up with replacing UJs)
Lightweight 1/4 Tonner (wish I'd kept it)
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30th Jan 2025 10:52 pm |
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Gnomad
Member Since: 22 Jul 2018
Location: Harbor Springs
Posts: 158


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Globe&Laurel wrote:Gnomad wrote:I've been thinking of some wheel adapters to run Wrangler wheels on my LR3, so they would kind be like spacers. And why you might ask? 18" rover wheels here are like rocking horse droppings or chicken lips, Wrangler wheels a dime a dozen and 18" tire selection much better. The question might be how wide can one go before things go haywire?
We have no inspections here. Anything goes! From what has been said here so far, and elsewhere, even an inch each side is going to do damage long term. Wouldn't it be cheaper for you to get some OEM 18s shipped in from the UK? Plenty on eBay here. The cost of shipping would likely outweigh the damage would cost you eventually... Snap them up before the tariffs are levied 
I've been lookimg off and on-there are some sellers who are apparently willing to ship here which surely helps. There was a set of Defender take-offs that were mighty tempting!
Not worried about tariffs unles there is trouble repatriating rouge English people, and for sure you can't have Mrs Gnomad back. She ain't going.
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31st Jan 2025 3:09 am |
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HairyFool
Member Since: 04 Jan 2023
Location: North Essex
Posts: 728


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Christian is brilliant engineer of the old school who happens to enjoy applying his skills to maintaining his collection of cars. He also has disclaimer on his channel pointing out that he is giving advice on the basis that he gives no guarantees.
I am enough of an engineer to recognise Christian's skill but could never do as much as he does. A visitor from the dark side, my other vehicle is an is still an EV. Strictly speaking its SWMBO.
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3rd Feb 2025 6:52 pm |
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Globe&Laurel
Member Since: 28 Sep 2024
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 189


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Gnomad wrote:Globe&Laurel wrote:Gnomad wrote:I've been thinking of some wheel adapters to run Wrangler wheels on my LR3, so they would kind be like spacers. And why you might ask? 18" rover wheels here are like rocking horse droppings or chicken lips, Wrangler wheels a dime a dozen and 18" tire selection much better. The question might be how wide can one go before things go haywire?
We have no inspections here. Anything goes! From what has been said here so far, and elsewhere, even an inch each side is going to do damage long term. Wouldn't it be cheaper for you to get some OEM 18s shipped in from the UK? Plenty on eBay here. The cost of shipping would likely outweigh the damage would cost you eventually... Snap them up before the tariffs are levied 
I've been lookimg off and on-there are some sellers who are apparently willing to ship here which surely helps. There was a set of Defender take-offs that were mighty tempting!
Not worried about tariffs unles there is trouble repatriating rouge English people, and for sure you can't have Mrs Gnomad back. She ain't going. 
Would you not go for the real OEM D3s?. Wheel technology hasn't changed since the car was designed, and ignoring all the issues that come from owning what is probably the most complex 4x4 ever, the designers did a job that won the D3 car of the year in its class for many years, and in many different countries. I am biased of course, but it is still the best 4x4xFar... to use LR's slogan, and assuming you want a car that's as good on-road as it is off. D3 SE TDV6
2007
152,000 Miles
Properly Maintained!
Memories:
D2 TD5 (got fed-up with a ton of rear door, but then on the 8th day God created the D3 and all my dreams came true)
D1 TDI with gas conversion (nightmare, unless random explosions under the bonnet work for you)
Classic RR 4.2 V8 (Soft Dash. Nice, but 12MPG!!)
Classic RR 3.9 V8 (Hard Dash)
LR 90 (least said...)
Series 3 SWB (loved it, but got fed-up with replacing UJs)
Lightweight 1/4 Tonner (wish I'd kept it)
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3rd Feb 2025 7:21 pm |
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