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which oil do you use for your diesel engine?

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Rook2020

Member Since: 01 Sep 2016
Location: London-Moscow
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2015 Discovery 4 3.0 SDV6 HSE Lux Auto Fuji White

which oil do you use for your diesel engine?

It is recommended to use A5/B5 oil according to ACEA which means low HTHS and low protection. All the competitors use oil with high HTHS. I wonder if Land Rover Customer service could explain us and may be this is the bottom of the engine and short block failure? Please find attached the scheme with oil recommendations from other car producers and LR.

1st Sep 2016 10:37 pm

dgardel

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: Greater Venice
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2014 Discovery 4 3.0 SDV6 XXV LE Auto Santorini Black

High HTHS is much better than low HTHS => C4 is better than C1

High temperature high shear (HTHS) viscosity of engine oils is a critical property that relates to the fuel economy and durability of a running engine. The drivers behind lowering HTHS viscosity are new global governmental regulations to improve fuel economy (FE) and lower greenhouse gases (GHG) in new vehicles. Lower HTHS viscosity tends to improve FE and lower GHG but higher HTHS viscosity affords better wear protection so a careful balance must be found when formulating an engine oil. Sufficient HTHS viscosity is critical in preventing engine wear in the critical ring/liner interface area by maintaining a protective oil film between moving parts. One method used to measure HTHS viscosity is ASTM D4683. Oil is introduced between a rotor and a stator at the test temperature of 150°C. The rotor experiences a reactive torque to the oils resistance to flow (viscose friction) and this torque response level is used to determine the HTHS viscosity. HTHS viscosity by ASTM D4683 has been found to relate to the viscosity providing hydrodynamic lubrication in light duty and heavy duty engines. HTHS viscosity has also been found to relate to fuel economy. Think of the protective oil film as if you are trying to swim. If the film is too thick like molasses you can barely move and have to expend a lot of energy; too thin and you sink to the bottom. What you want is the right balance of support and ease of movement. The oil has to be thick enough to maintain separation of the critical moving parts but thin enough to allow for fuel efficient operation.

A new heavy-duty engine oil category, PC-11, is currently under development. PC-11 may be split into two categories one with HTHS viscosity less than 3.5 and one equal to or greater than 3.5. PC-11 oils with HTHS viscosity <3.5 would offer FE benefits but would be restricted to engines designed to run on lower HTHS viscosity oils. This may exclude many older engines. Engine manufacturers are evaluating their hardware to see if engine durability, especially for ring and liner scuffing is an issue with low HTHS viscosity oils so they can take advantage of the engine lubricant delivering improved FE to meet the new US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) FE and GHG requirements. Engine manufacturers may have to redesign their engines to take advantage of the potential fuel savings of low HTHS viscosity oils. PC-11 oils with HTHS viscosity equal to or greater than 3.5 would cover the heritage fleet and new engine requiring higher HTHS viscosity for wear protection. Discovery 5 tdv6 HSE Corris Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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1st Sep 2016 11:39 pm

Rook2020

Member Since: 01 Sep 2016
Location: London-Moscow
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thank you and I absolutely agree with you but I don't understand why LR recommends low HTHS oils such as A5/B5?

2nd Sep 2016 7:46 am

dgardel

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: Greater Venice
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Fuel saving? Discovery 5 tdv6 HSE Corris Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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2nd Sep 2016 7:49 am

Rook2020

Member Since: 01 Sep 2016
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fuel saving is an important issue, I agree, but other SUVs such as MB ML, VW Touareg, BMW X5 use high HTHS oils...

2nd Sep 2016 7:55 am

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Other manufacturers expect it to last 2 years between services if low miles?

2nd Sep 2016 8:03 am

Rook2020

Member Since: 01 Sep 2016
Location: London-Moscow
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I think all of them recommend to change oil once a year...

2nd Sep 2016 8:25 am

dgardel

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Discovery 5 tdv6 HSE Corris Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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2nd Sep 2016 8:59 am

Rook2020

Member Since: 01 Sep 2016
Location: London-Moscow
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according to your file it is better to use c1

2nd Sep 2016 9:20 am

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