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DG
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I thought in the normal speed version he said 'people' and in the slowed down version he said 'woman'.

Anyway ...in these days of equality what do you call a man or woman, who is in your opinion, stupid?

Nice little diversion from the utter diabolical Censored storm that is the 'Tory party' though Laughing Thumbs Up
  
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I don't really care what he said, it's the hypocrisy and then subsequent lying (IMO) that's the issue for me.

Remember how apoplectic Labour were when Cameron told a female MP to "calm down dear".
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Well to determine if he was 'lying' you would of course require absolute proof and you don't have that Thumbs Up

accordingly Ken Clarke once said "I’ve been called all sorts of things as a MP; a fool, a cretin, a moron, a half-wit, a dunce, a simpleton, a dimwit, a dummy, a jackass, a pea-brain, a dipstick, a donkey, a numpty, a muppet, a plonker, a berk, a prat, a wally, a Censored and that’s just from Margaret Thatcher."

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You're right it won't be proved. For me however the proof is how Corbyn says the "p" when he says "stupid", as explained by a lip reader and then watching one of the numerous online videos.

Hague called (or mouthed the words) some Labour MP, I can't remember who, a stupid woman. The difference is he admitted it and later apologised.

Corbyn could have actually capitalised on this, but instead he's just shown his true colours.
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I think he would have held his hand up .......I grew up in the deaf community and there was many a misinterpretation from those who could lipread out of necessity I can tell you Smile
  
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I am sorry DG but on this occasion you just have to hold your hands up and say guilty mi'lord. The evidence is there for all to see.[

There is no way under this sun that he says people and as LT states:-

I don't really care what he said, it's the hypocrisy and then subsequent lying (IMO) that's the issue for me.
  
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To see ...but not heard Wink ...so not 100% evidence.

Even 'expert' lipreaders will tell you that suppressing mouthed actions when muttering something under your breath doesn't always relate the same word identifiers.

As said in my initial post, I can see it either way. 100% Woman suits the narrative of others though Very Happy
  
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It’s an absolute storm in a tea cup. With everything else going on, does it really matter and who actually cares?

I don’t like Corbyn and you will interpret the lip movement exactly how you like. I have seen the video and I can see “silly” BUT NOT “Woman”

You know the sad thing, I was looking online for a crimbo pressie for my wife and searched Dubarrys web site, like most firms they have a section “Women’s Jackets” Now the silly thing is I am now getting conscious that I am perhaps being sexist and demeaning even by looking at such a section, then I thought don’t be a “silly man” get a grip!

Bottom line, are you trying to tell me that’s any different from using woman as in “Stupid Woman?” Censored snowflakes, even on here! Pathetic. Evil or Very Mad
  
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It’s an absolute storm in a tea cup. With everything else going on, does it really matter and who actually cares?

It's being played by the Tories as an attempt to deflect attention and waste time in the House before the recess. Total pantomime tactics and entirely obvious to everyone watching.

As for the phrase "stupid woman" - this is no way in the same ball park as the bullying that has gone in Parliament and which is being used as an excuse to blow this event up. If he had called a male MP "silly man" or had a female MP said that to a male MP, there would be no shouting.

Tory smoke screen, clear and simple.
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Who's being a "snowflake?

I haven't picked up on anyone on this thread being offended by Corbyn's words.

The issue I have is that the Leader of the Opposition is prepared to lie (IMO) at the despatch box. Which, again IMO, is not remotely comparable to a retailer offering "women's jackets" for sale.

It doesn't surprise me sadly and it most certainly doesn't offend me.
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RRSTD hit the nail on the head.

As for the rest of you, if believe it was “Woman” you take it Corbyn is a liar and failed the integrity check, that’s fine, you probably think the guys a wa Censored er without that incident.

On the other hand if you’re not sure or think he didn’t use “Woman” and even think Corbyn is a wa Censored er anyway, you’ll be like me and wonder what all the Censored fuss is about.
 

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Lying in parliament is not taken lightly, if he lied then why did the speaker not intervene, nor any of the bench opposite?
  
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Who's making a fuss. I'm just commenting on and giving my opinion on a thread on this forum.

No fussing by me Thumbs Up
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DG wrote:
Lying in parliament is not taken lightly, if he lied then why did the speaker not intervene, nor any of the bench opposite?


Well for starters it's against Parliamentary rules to call another member a liar. Although Rachel Maclean got up and said "Read my lips, I do not believe him". which Bercow admonished her for.

As for no intervention, it sparked an angry intervention which went on for minutes and which Bercow struggled to control.

Didn't you see it?
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I believe some Labour MPs have said he said it, not sure how they could have seen Laughing I think he did say it but am I bothered? No, he's an MP of course he lied. Get on and talk about something more important, like how the hell has Diane Abbott got a job?
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