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winches
Hi Guys
Looking at a front a-bar and winch further down the line however the warn 9.5xp seems mighty expensive for the use i will probably get out of it. Are there cheaper options that will fit the a-bar system and what are they ? or am i restricted to the warn ? not bothered about speed etc as long as it gets me out of trouble every now and again ? probably used for show more than anything but i will be using the disco off road.
Many thanks
Rob
17th Feb 2010 12:44 am
discocuzzy
Member Since: 02 Feb 2008
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Do a search mate, plenty of info on here
Options:
Warn,Superwinch, plus loads of chinese copies, warn is generally regarded as the best mind "you cannot teach stupid people to do clever things"
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17th Feb 2010 3:17 am
AndrewS Tarquin of the Desert
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A winch wont fit to an 'A' bar. RLD makes the brackets to fit the winches to.
You will need a minimum of a 9,500lb pull, Even though you say you wont need it much, when you do need it you will be sat in a car that weighs 2.7 tonne before its stuck, you could easily treble this figure if proper stuck. In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
17th Feb 2010 7:43 am
Rob_whp
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cheers chaps - just donea search and didnt realise theres a hidden option for the winches too. If i went for the hidden option but still wanted an A-frame would it be the standard one or the winch one ?
Rob
17th Feb 2010 10:14 am
Ken
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But you said you wanted one for show
17th Feb 2010 11:23 am
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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For undercover show!!!
17th Feb 2010 11:26 am
Stu
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Quote:
You will need a minimum of a 9,500lb pull, Even though you say you wont need it much, when you do need it you will be sat in a car that weighs 2.7 tonne before its stuck, you could easily treble this figure if proper stuck.
Andrew, I know very little about winching etc. but I have been looking at options as well, if it is only for occasional use when stuck, wouldn't a lower rated winch and snatch block provide sufficent pull as this would almost double the pull? Obviously it will shorten the length of the winch and will take longer, but I suspect for most people that would be an acceptable compromise. Although I don't think there is a huge difference in price between a 8000lb and 9500lb winch, not given the whole cost of the implementation. I know the group buy that Gary had sorted out was going to be about £1000 all in and that was with the Warn, but it wouldn't have gone down much if we'd opted for a cheaper winch.D3 HSE MY05 Auto
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17th Feb 2010 11:41 am
Ken
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9500lb is only just upto the Job promise
If your going to go lower there really is no point Fully see where your going thou
tomorow i will have a external winch mount in ready for testing may be looking for volunteer to try it
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In my opinion...............
If you have a winch that is quoted by the manufacturer as a "9000" lb pull, please bear in mind the following...
1 that this will be for optimum conditions
2 only when the cable is on the first layer on the drum.
Also note that not all electric winches that will pull 9000lb, as described above, will hold that load. i.e. you winch up a slope & when you stop winching the load unwinds the drum and you are back where you started. Seen it happen!
When 1 pulley block in brought into play to achieve a mechanical advantage of 2:1 several things may happen.
1 the 9000lb winch will pull 18000lb
and/or
the winching speed in reduced by 50%
and / or
the current draw of the motor is reduced.
In my experience what actually happens is a complete mix of all three.
The problem I have with the 12,000lb winch is that when a pulley block is used for a MA of 2:1 i.e it might pull 24,000lb. Is the winch cradle, chassis leg etc up to that sort of load, let alone the use of 2 pulley blocks that I have also seen used!
Perhaps there is a reason that LR on fit the 9500 winch.
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17th Feb 2010 8:35 pm
discocuzzy
Member Since: 02 Feb 2008
Location: surrey
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Spooky wrote:
Rob_whp wrote:
... If i went for the hidden option but still wanted an A-frame would it be the standard one or the winch one ...
You'd need the winch version (the centre section where the a-bar covers the bumper is not present).
True....mine errr yours had the winch Abar and mantec plate
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